| Register  | FAQ  | Search | Login 
It is currently Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:48 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 1091 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 44  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:15 pm 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
refinnej wrote:
Oh Lard, I'm a horrible mother by mothering's standards. Between saying that we were planning to vax and later that we weren't planning to co-sleep, I thought that one of the zealots (who are likely just a vocal minority) were going to sic family services on us.

We've settled on an alternative schedule but hit a snag in that one of the vax is no longer available at the clinic we're using. Likely that we will skip the diptheria vax for now because of this, though we can travel to London if we really wanted. Something like 60 cases a year in the UK, so not a big risk.

Glad that freya will be able to get the menc shot but worried too as she got very ill/fever after the first dose (men c combined with hib). Hearsay has it though that the further doses of vax are less like to cause trouble but not sure that's true.

I would call your doctor and talk to them about your fears. Hearsay is why the Mothering forums are a hot mess of faith based medicine and superstition.

It's also filled with privilege because I daresay that if any of those people lived in a place where vaccinations were hard to come by and diseases like polio were common they would not play so fast and loose with the truth.

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:29 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
Yes, before we had Leela, I didn't think we were going to vax, because I knew so many mothers that I respect who don't vax because they saw it as an unacceptable risk with their kid's health, and I hadn't done the research myself, so I took their statements at face value.

Once we had her though, and I had to consider the risks of her getting sick or getting other people sick in the light of the lack of any scientific information against it, it was a no-brainer. And she has had no issues with them at all (knock wood).

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:54 pm 
Should Write a Goddam Book Already
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:34 pm
Posts: 1041
Location: chicagoland-ish suburbs
Tofulish wrote:
Once we had her though, and I had to consider the risks of her getting sick or getting other people sick in the light of the lack of any scientific information against it, it was a no-brainer. And she has had no issues with them at all (knock wood).


This! I was on the fence (probably leaning more toward non-vax) before Felix was born, but the more I looked into the more I realized only one side was presenting me with actual facts. Both my kids have been vaxed on schedule. So far we've had maybe one feverish reaction betwixt the two of them.

I will say, though, that the first few nurses (military hospital...) that gave Felix his shots were pretty useless at addressing the few, basic concerns I did have (What kind of reactions should I expect? Why are you suggesting I preemptively medicate him?) and that did sabotage my confidence in vaxing a little. It makes me suspicious of medical professionals when I get so uniformly dismissed for asking questions, and that kind of treatment is probably why I was willing to consider the idea vaccines were not safe in the first place. Thankfully, we get to go to a really great civilian doctor now (and forever more!), and they have never been put off by my questions.

_________________
Gwyneth Paltrow: "I'm superstitious. Whenever I start a new movie I kill a hobo with a hammer."


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:00 pm 
Should Write a Goddam Book Already
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:16 pm
Posts: 1045
Location: ATX
Tofulish wrote:
Yes, before we had Leela, I didn't think we were going to vax, because I knew so many mothers that I respect who don't vax because they saw it as an unacceptable risk with their kid's health, and I hadn't done the research myself, so I took their statements at face value.

Once we had her though, and I had to consider the risks of her getting sick or getting other people sick in the light of the lack of any scientific information against it, it was a no-brainer. And she has had no issues with them at all (knock wood).


Agreed as well! We were pretty anti-vax while I was pregnant, after talking with so many non-vaxing mothers I knew. I think the second S was born I changed my mind. Looking back so much information I received was just plain ol' fear-mongering.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:27 pm 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
If you have any doubts about the pertussis vaccine, listen to this: http://www.soundsofpertussis.com/

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:37 pm 
Wears Durian Helmet
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:55 am
Posts: 839
Location: Colorado
Now there's a pertussis outbreak in Boulder; sad but not surprised.

_________________
Lumpy Space Princess is my spirit guide.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:13 pm 
Bought 20lbs of vegan protein powder
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:37 pm
Posts: 7033
Location: NC for now
I'm glad I've done it the way I have - delayed vaxing, no more than 2 at a time (man they want to bully me into like 4 at a time sometimes). she's still only had 1 hep b vax and she hasn't had varicella but aside from that i think she's totally up to date.

_________________
"T-shirts are not allowed in heaven, Karyn. They don't do casual Fridays." - Amandabear

"It's because I'm judging them. Harshly. Judgey McJudgerson." - mel c


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:55 pm 
Should Write a Goddam Book Already
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:08 pm
Posts: 1017
Location: Notavandownbytheriver
appifanie wrote:
I'm glad I've done it the way I have - delayed vaxing, no more than 2 at a time (man they want to bully me into like 4 at a time sometimes). she's still only had 1 hep b vax and she hasn't had varicella but aside from that i think she's totally up to date.


Do doctors normally do the hep b vaccine before they do varicella? That kind of surprises me. (that's no comment on delayed-vaxing--I really am just surprised that hep b would be first in the rounds).

_________________
"So often I wish Adam were a real boy." - interrobang?!
"If he was you'd hear him farting at the back of your yoga class." - 8ball


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:59 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
They give Hep B when your baby is first born. The idea is that it isn't harmful to the baby and is intended to be more of a public health measure for later in your kid's life, not something they necessarily need in the first few years.

We opted out of it, and I think it is pretty routine to do so. She was just so tiny and we prefer to wait until a bit later.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:03 pm 
***LIES!!!***
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:10 pm
Posts: 3442
I don't know about this for sure, but is there a possibility that the Hep B vaccine protects against passing it through breastfeeding and that's why they do it at birth?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
I agree that if the mother has Hep B, it makes sense to get, but I don't, so it didn't make sense for us to get at birth. She is definitely getting them as part of the regular schedule (1-2 months).
http://www.babycenter.com/0_the-hepatit ... ne_1561.bc

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:27 pm 
***LIES!!!***
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:10 pm
Posts: 3442
We declined the Hep B vax at birth, too (although otherwise we are vaccinating "on schedule") as well as the eye goop, but the routine administration of that stuff is more of a public health campaign casting a wide net over people who might be infected but don't know it (like the b.s. law that all pregnant women in NJ have to get tested for HIV twice during pregnancy).


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:40 am 
Has it on Blue Vinyl
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:59 am
Posts: 2196
Location: Oxford, UK
@app, we're mostly just spreading thimgs out too.


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:14 am 
Has it on Blue Vinyl
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:59 am
Posts: 2196
Location: Oxford, UK
Huh. I edited the post above as I submitted it too soon, but it seems to have vanished.

Anyway, we settled on a staggered, spread out schedule in part because Mr refinnej had a bad reaction to a vaccine when he was younger and had to go to the hospital, so we wanted to be as careful as possible. We chose to do the diseases that present real dangers to her (tetanus, pneumonia, meningitis) first, along with polio which is relatively rare but carries serious consequences.

We've had a mixed bag with reactions from medical staff. Our GP, who knows me fairly well was fine and addressed our concerns. The vax nurse was infuriating in that she thought I should just do the shot (the 5 in in) right then and there, just because she said so. Nevermind that we'd spent the better part of a year reading on PubMed, talking to a doctor friend, etc. "Trust me, ignorant hippy peon" was the mentality. Sigh. We're not tin-foil, vaxes are some conspiracy kinda folks...just two parents who want the best for their only daughter.


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:55 am 
Trapped On A Desert Island With A Cow
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:16 am
Posts: 457
could you share the specific concerns you had with multiple shots at once that caused you to go with an alternative schedule. From my understanding alternate schedules haven't benn show to have a benifit.

_________________
No gods, no masters, no woo, no whey!
Be skeptical not susceptible!
http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:23 pm 
Semen Strong
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:10 pm
Posts: 18627
Location: Cliffbar NJ
It just seems to be easier for the baby to deal with one or two at a time. Our ped's office recommends that you get two hsots at the appt and then come back a week later for the additional one(s), just because in her experience babies tolerate it better.

_________________
But on a cold winter night, when the wind whispers through the trees and a bright, white moon hangs heavy in the air, you might hear a sad cry like someone thinking he knows what's best for you, and that'll be the white man a-passin' you by. just mumbles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:58 pm 
Bathes in Braggs
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:48 pm
Posts: 1374
Tofulish wrote:
They give Hep B when your baby is first born. The idea is that it isn't harmful to the baby and is intended to be more of a public health measure for later in your kid's life, not something they necessarily need in the first few years.

We opted out of it, and I think it is pretty routine to do so. She was just so tiny and we prefer to wait until a bit later.


Yep. Our doc says that the only reason they do Hep B at birth is to get the baby on the vax schedule, and aid as a jumping off point to make sure the family comes in regularly for their vaccinations and well-baby check ups. (You get that official-looking booklet, so you feel more obligated.)

For me, the 1-or-2 only vax thing is just a personal preference. Yeah, I know his body could handle more, but if we can still fit all the vax in by just doing one or two at a time, I like that better. It's hard enough to get my child to sit down for one set of shots, I can't imagine going in for round two. And even though I know that vaccinations do a world of good, I do believe there is a lot of crepe in them that our bodies would rather do without, so I'd like to give him some time to recover between them. Even if it has no scientific basis behind it, it makes me feel better and calmer about the whole situation (as it does for my husband, who has severe OCD, which adds a whole other layer to this vaccination madness...)


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:00 pm 
Trapped On A Desert Island With A Cow
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:16 am
Posts: 457
tolerate it as in not flipping out? cause i would certainly flip out over 5 needles in one go, i was one of those kids that had to be held down

_________________
No gods, no masters, no woo, no whey!
Be skeptical not susceptible!
http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:03 pm 
Drinks Wild Tofurkey
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:51 am
Posts: 2770
Grey got really sick after his four month shots. The next round we spaced out and he handled them much better. He still cried so much though, and that is heartbreaking even when you know it's for the best.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:10 pm 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
My experience was that my son had a harder time with vaccinations once he was old enough to know what they were. As a baby, it was pretty much one cry and done. Last time they offered his chicken pox vaccination, he said "let's do this." It was done in a second.

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:13 pm 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
Chipmunk wrote:
Vantine wrote:
We need Chipmunk but I would be surprised to find that there was a reasonable study that suggested that giving vaccines on the recommended schedule was unsafe in any way.

I have to head out in a sec, but as opposed to the "alternative" schedule, we actually know that the vaccines won't interfere with each other's efficacy and are safe given in that combination for the recommended one. Many of today's vaccines also contain a lot fewer potentially antigenic components than their older counterparts. Thousands less in the case of pertussis where you'd have everything that was in the bacterial cell rather than a few isolated proteins.

For SV. ..

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:16 pm 
Seagull of the PPK
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:46 pm
Posts: 7217
Location: Brasil
cute! FishyChips was the screamer, while her sister just watched calmly with the resigned look. I do distinctly remember doing the "basket hold" one time to restrain her so we could just get it the frig done (she was maybe 2.5 or 3yo?)- after distractions, pleading, chasing, and the pedi saying "you know, i don't remember her being so difficult!" (pedi was a good friend). The next time I was sure it would be a total disaster and she looked at the nurse and just stuck out her arm and gave her the stinkeye.
i am pleased to report she grew up to be fine with needles- she had a stress-free blood draw in January (i passed out, but that's a different story....)

_________________
Buddha says 'Meh'.--matwinser
I'm just a drunk who likes fruit. -- Desdemona


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:50 pm 
***LIES!!!***
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:10 pm
Posts: 3442
We're on a regular schedule (except declining the Hep B at birth), but I don't think we've had more than 3 shots at a time at an appointment and they were all done simultaneously - 2 nurses, 2 legs, 1 nurse does 2 shots at once. Most of the time it's been just one or two. Malka has had a little bit of a rash and taken an extra long nap after a few vaccinations, but otherwise she hasn't reacted at all.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:19 pm 
Invented Vegan Meringue
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:18 pm
Posts: 3560
Location: It's hot. All the time.
torque wrote:
cute! FishyChips was the screamer, while her sister just watched calmly with the resigned look. I do distinctly remember doing the "basket hold" one time to restrain her so we could just get it the frig done (she was maybe 2.5 or 3yo?)- after distractions, pleading, chasing, and the pedi saying "you know, i don't remember her being so difficult!" (pedi was a good friend). The next time I was sure it would be a total disaster and she looked at the nurse and just stuck out her arm and gave her the stinkeye.
i am pleased to report she grew up to be fine with needles- she had a stress-free blood draw in January (i passed out, but that's a different story....)

My brother got a bad cut when he was about 12. A neighbor took him to the ER, saw them clean the wound and passed out. He hit his head and was put in the bed next to my brother. His wife laughed hysterically.

_________________
A whole lot of access and privilege goes into being sanctimonious pricks J-Dub
Dessert is currently a big bowl of sanctimonious, passive aggressive vegan enduced boak. Fezza
You people are way less funny than Pandacookie. Sucks to be you.-interrobang?!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Can we talk about vaccinations here?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:13 am 
Grandfathered In
User avatar
Offline

Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:41 pm
Posts: 9186
Location: Seattle
Vantine wrote:
My brother got a bad cut when he was about 12. A neighbor took him to the ER, saw them clean the wound and passed out. He hit his head and was put in the bed next to my brother. His wife laughed hysterically.


His wife was evil, then?

_________________
Did somebody say Keep on rockin?


Top
 Profile WWW  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic  [ 1091 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 44  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Template made by DEVPPL/ThatBigForum and fancied up by What Cheer