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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:50 pm 
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Nate said he would take off two weeks, he worked while I was giving birth, n a Saturday at the hospital. He stayed home the next week and the second week he started going into the office, my mom was here by then. My mom stayed two weeks the a friend came to stay. So I really had help the first four weeks. I was so terrified the first day I had to do it all alone, I tore a lot and couldn't get around much for many days. I never saw the meconium poos because I couldn't get up to change a diaper for several days! I wish I would have had help for about the first year...


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:50 am 
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ScandinaVegan wrote:
Randomly, in Denmark you get a bonus vacation day on your child(ren)'s birthday, up to your 4th kid. Good news for us, bad news for anyone who has 5 or more kids!


Are you sure about this? I've never heard about it, and considering the amount of parents (including the dude I live with) i know, it seems unlikely that it's a general rule. I couldn't find anything on google either? Although, the danish workers rights seem quite awesome compared to having to worry about income/sick days/vacation etc. in the US. Also, the cheap(ish) kindergarden system is awesome.[/quote]

Hmm, maybe it is only true in our municipality, not all the country? But it is the case here at least. A good friend of mine works at the hospital and has 5 children, so he's filled us in about this!

Before having tiny wu I did not work enough hours per week to qualify for any paid maternity leave. There are options like unemployment stipends, but if I accept any of those, I jeopardize my legal alien status in the country. So it's not all gravy.

I wish we could have used some of the 12 weeks sooner, though--I had a difficult birth and since we don't have a car, barely left the house for weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:58 am 
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Oh yeah, and I should say that most people pay between 35 and 50 percent income tax here, which is how all the good benefits get paid for. Totally worth it in my opinion but I know many Americans oppose that kind of socialism.


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:50 pm 
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My husband had 4 weeks off when I had Ada. One of the upper management people just had a baby and decided two weeks wasn't enough time so he changed the policy right before I gave birth. It was so nice, especially because I was making trips to the doctor with an abscess in my boob. At his current job he is only going to get two weeks. He'll probably take another week with vacation time.


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:44 pm 
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ScandinaVegan wrote:
Oh yeah, and I should say that most people pay between 35 and 50 percent income tax here, which is how all the good benefits get paid for. Totally worth it in my opinion but I know many Americans oppose that kind of socialism.

We pay about 35% of our income in taxes and we don't have what you guys have.


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:22 pm 
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with tzipi, mr.bird took 2 weeks, starting when she got home from the hospital, plus he got an extra two weeks of super light work because he was waiting for a new project to start. 2 weeks was really the minimum i could have handled... the breastfeeding with a preemie/yeast infection thing left me pretty beat. physically i was fine after 5 days.

this time, he didn't have to take any official time off, as we again managed to coordinate with a project finishing up. this time i would have been ok on my own probably 3-5 days after the birth, except for the fact that there was a toddler to deal with and 1 week pp i ended up with a uterine infection and on broad spectrum antibiotics that totally wiped me out. so man, i was really grateful for the fact that he had 5 weeks of no work that melted into 2 weeks of company wide christmas break. i wasn't feeling 100% until about 4 weeks pp this time.


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:54 pm 
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littlebear wrote:
ScandinaVegan wrote:
Oh yeah, and I should say that most people pay between 35 and 50 percent income tax here, which is how all the good benefits get paid for. Totally worth it in my opinion but I know many Americans oppose that kind of socialism.

We pay about 35% of our income in taxes and we don't have what you guys have.


We have a pretty high corporate tax rate as well as the individual tax rate, and VAT is 25% on everything. cars are taxed more than 100% their value, and then there are taxes on electricity, house owners tax (which is pretty high), on basically all natural resources and companies have to pay pretty high fees and buy CO2-quotas. And the state owns a lot of the things that are privatized in the US, such as kindergardens (most kids here are in kindergarden from they are 1, and when they start in school most kids have after school programs which are payed by the parents - it's cheaper than it seems to be in the states, but the money is payed to the state, and it means that both parents are out there earning tax dollars). We even have a "fat tax" which was introduced last year, which applies to butter and margarine.

But yeah, I definitely prefer living in a country where I don't have to pay a shiitake ton in order to have a system that protects everyone and makes sure the basics are covered - in a way, the higher taxes makes everything "sliding scale" - for example, as a student I get school support money from the state, which I pay taxes from. It is a pretty low amount - around 200 dollars a month. But these 200 dollars "buy" me the same things as everyone else; universal health care, state psychiatry, help if I get handicapped, maternal leave, free education, the right to my school support money, free roads, quite a wide range of free museums, being a part of taking care of the cultural legacy of the country, being a part of paying for the military, being a part of paying for the royal family.. (for better or for worse!) And it definitely helps that we have (or well, used to have) a strong workers movement, which made it possible to force the workplace to pay for maternity and paternity leave.


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:01 pm 
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littlebear wrote:
ScandinaVegan wrote:
Oh yeah, and I should say that most people pay between 35 and 50 percent income tax here, which is how all the good benefits get paid for. Totally worth it in my opinion but I know many Americans oppose that kind of socialism.

We pay about 35% of our income in taxes and we don't have what you guys have.


But we do have some very exciting wars.

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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:11 pm 
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solipsistnation wrote:
littlebear wrote:
ScandinaVegan wrote:
Oh yeah, and I should say that most people pay between 35 and 50 percent income tax here, which is how all the good benefits get paid for. Totally worth it in my opinion but I know many Americans oppose that kind of socialism.

We pay about 35% of our income in taxes and we don't have what you guys have.


But we do have some very exciting wars.


it seems that you don't know how we got our flag.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Denmark


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:32 pm 
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I love Borgen and Legos. I'll go... Just need a job there for my husband. Unfortunately all the cushy European assignments seem to go to people who got fired from tougher jobs, and the closest we'd probably ever get would be Naples anyway. *sigh* Or maaaybe the Norwegian attache a while down the line.

I'll also add that in addition to Denmark having the European tax system (VAT, high income taxes, etc) it's also crazy expensive compared to countries on the Euro. I remember it seeming like to get the right price in dollars I should divide kroners by like 10, but the actual rate was more like 6.


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 Post subject: Re: paternity leave
PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:55 pm 
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we have 14 weeks paid parental leave, which can be shared between either parent, as well as up to 12 months unpaid leave which can also be shared between the parents.

My husband has put in for [what will work out to be] three weeks annual leave after our baby is born, part of which is covered by the time his company is shut down for the Christmas etc break anyway, and he will just see how we are going in a few weeks and decide whether to return to work earlier to save some more leave days for later, or whether I still need/want him at home to help me out.


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