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 Post subject: Brushing baby's teeth
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:32 am 
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I hope this video works. It is my time using vimeo. This is how I brush my son's teeth. I wanted to add little popups with info, but I don't really know how to do that or what program to use. Anyway, here are some comments:

- Pick a comfortable location. I usually pick the bedroom, but for the video, I picked the living room in a nice comfy chair.
- I have him sitting on my lap facing away from me. That is often the easiest way to brush someone else's teeth (facing the same direction you are facing) because then you are coming at them from the same angle you brush your own teeth. Also, it is less scary. When someone comes at you from the front with a toothbrush like a sword it is a little more threatening.
- Having him sitting on my lap allows me to put his head between my arm (the one holding his lip, not the toothbrush) and my body, which helps support his head to stay in the right position. Also I can feel his movements more easily and move with him as he moves - this way I can keep brushing as he moves his head.
- Giving him very short breaks seems to help. With the silly brushing song he knows he will get a quick break, so he is less likely to try to get away from it.
- To get the toothbrush to the gumline (the top of the teeth where the gums are) you really need to lift up his lip. The position that I am in makes it easier for me to do this.
- The bottom front teeth are harder. This is often true because it is an easier defensive mechanism to purse/tighten your bottom lip. I usually start with the inside surfaces of the teeth (the sides of the teeth that face the tongue) so that I can orient myself to where I am and then move to the lip-side surfaces of the teeth.
- Carlos only has front teeth (4 on top, 2 on bottom) at this time, so I only have to brush the inside surfaces and outside surfaces. When he has back teeth, I will also need to brush the chewing surfaces. Those are the ones that are the easiest to brush. When I see parents/caregivers that say they brush their kids teeth and their teeth are covered with plaque, if I watch them brush, I see they are brushing, but just brushing the chewing surfaces. That is what most people think of when thinking about tooth brushing.
- The positioning I use takes some practice and getting used to, but in the end it is usually the easiest.
- For the super wiggly, sometimes staying in a stroller can help. This link is from a guide to brushing teeth of people with disabilities, but depending on the type of stroller, if it is at all accessible the way a wheelchair is, you can kind of follow these diagrams: http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/nidcr2.nih.gov ... ngYourBody
- I am using Spiffies gel instead of toothpaste right now. He seems to tolerate it very well. When he is older I will switch to toothpaste. http://www.amazon.com/Spiffies-Brush-To ... B0067ZD5OA
- I try to use rewards like kisses and compliments and stuff. I also try not to get upset when it isn't going well. Just kind of acknowledge that he is upset but keep going.

eta: having trouble getting the video....


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:35 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:41 am 
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Great Video Kimba! Giles' first two teeth have JUST partially sprouted and I have been reading the thread of horrors about toothbrushing and getting verrry nervous. Thank you for posting this.

Now I just need a video about finger and toenail clipping ;)


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:51 am 
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Thanks, kimba! That was great.

It looks like we're doing it mostly right. Yay! For older kids with all their baby teeth, how long is long enough to brush? I try to hit all the various surfaces on top and bottom while we sing the the ABC song twice through, but that really seems like the upper limit of her patience. I feel like maybe I'm doing it too long, but I'm so paranoid about her teeth that I want to make sure I'm getting everything.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:58 am 
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Thanks so much, Kimba!

So I was about to say, ha, I'll make a video with Violet trying the exact same thing and show that Kimba how it goes when you have a kid clamping her mouth shut, crying, wriggling away, etc! But then it went great. So I don't know if it was the song or the holding her outward or just putting her on photobooth watching herself and appealing to her inner narcissist, but something worked!!!


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Thank you so much for posting this!! I work in a children's hospital in the outpatient procedure center, and you wouldn't believe how many kids come in to get teeth pulled/have cleanings done under anesthesia because their parents don't make them brush their teeth. It's so frustrating to me! I wish that I could educate parents about tooth brushing so that their child wouldn't have to come in and get this done, but it's a very sensitive topic and our hospital is very PC, so trying to even gently suggest it wouldn't go over well with a lot of these parents. I appreciate your post.


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annasrobbie wrote:
Great Video Kimba! Giles' first two teeth have JUST partially sprouted and I have been reading the thread of horrors about toothbrushing and getting verrry nervous. Thank you for posting this.

Now I just need a video about finger and toenail clipping ;)


Haha. When Carlos was smaller, I had my husband clip his fingernails while he nursed. He was much calmer then. Eventually he was too easily distracted during nursing for that to work.


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Thanks, kimba! That was great.

It looks like we're doing it mostly right. Yay! For older kids with all their baby teeth, how long is long enough to brush? I try to hit all the various surfaces on top and bottom while we sing the the ABC song twice through, but that really seems like the upper limit of her patience. I feel like maybe I'm doing it too long, but I'm so paranoid about her teeth that I want to make sure I'm getting everything.


(Disclaimer: Go with what your dentist says). I don't worry as much about time as making sure I get all the surfaces. For adults, we say two minutes - that's for 32 teeth. Kids have 20 (before adult ones start coming in). So... I don't really know if there is an official recommendation for this - there probably is. But I would be more concerned about if I am getting everything as opposed to how long it takes. I think the time recommendations are often to just encourage people to do it longer so that they actually get everything, because people tend to rush through it otherwise.


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annak wrote:
Thanks so much, Kimba!

So I was about to say, ha, I'll make a video with Violet trying the exact same thing and show that Kimba how it goes when you have a kid clamping her mouth shut, crying, wriggling away, etc! But then it went great. So I don't know if it was the song or the holding her outward or just putting her on photobooth watching herself and appealing to her inner narcissist, but something worked!!!


That's so funny. I'm glad something worked for you! I wish I had a baby model that was more wriggly so I could make another video for harder kids. Carlos is pretty easy at this point, but I have been brushing his teeth for a long time, starting with his gums before he had teeth. I work with people with disabilities, especially a lot of people with movement disorders and those who resist tooth brushing, so I know it can be a *lot* more difficult than I have shown in the video.


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ScooterDiva wrote:
Thank you so much for posting this!! I work in a children's hospital in the outpatient procedure center, and you wouldn't believe how many kids come in to get teeth pulled/have cleanings done under anesthesia because their parents don't make them brush their teeth. It's so frustrating to me! I wish that I could educate parents about tooth brushing so that their child wouldn't have to come in and get this done, but it's a very sensitive topic and our hospital is very PC, so trying to even gently suggest it wouldn't go over well with a lot of these parents. I appreciate your post.


I am associated with a hospital as well and I do some of those cases in the OR. It is a sensitive topic, but it is also very complex. Dental decay (caries) disproportionately affects the poor (not that non-poor families don't have risk too). Education is important, but I think access to resources is even more important. Including resources such as having friends that are knowledgeable about dental disease and can give you hints about what they did for their child. Being able to access a dentist, or if needed a specialist. Not having 3 jobs so that you have time to brush your child's teeth among other things. Having help with childcare so you aren't at at your wit's end trying to get your baby to sleep and just putting them to bed with the bottle so that you can rest. Knowledge about what to feed baby, for example, not putting kool-aid in a sippy cup and having them sip on it at-will. Having time and resources to actually plan better alternatives. Some of that can be helped with education, but there are some barriers to health that are just more complicated than that. Also, many people think if they or their parents had bad teeth, it is inevitable. It is difficult because the bacteria is passed from caregiver to baby. But then people start thinking it is genetic and give up.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:22 pm 
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Kimba, thank you for this. I used the poop analogy and my husband saw the point, which was great, so we're going to watch the video with Leela and try it together.

And I really like what you said in the post above.

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this was great. I feel better, because I don't think I've been doing such a bad job after all. I also come from behind, but the process could use a comfier spot and I'm sure a song would help.


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This is adorable! I love your little "we're gonna brush brush brush...and stop!" song. I bet it's really helpful to have that rhythm...like, the kid knows what's happening and that when you say "stop" there will be extra cuddles and kisses, and there's something predictable and soothing about how you do the exact same pattern in the song every time you do it.

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Also, I'm totally going to be singing that in my head every time I brush my teeth now...forever.

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Leela loves the video and kept kissing Carlos! The song is too cute, too, so while we were watching she was dancing and clapping to it and signing more.

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Okay, this is amazing! We watched the video and L let me brush her front teeth without any protest. I couldn't do the back ones easily, but she loved to brush along with Carlos, and then she took her toothbrush and went off to keep brushing. Thank you so much - this is my favorite video ever.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:27 pm 
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and....a crash and a burn. We watched the video 8 times. Malka was way excited by baby Carlos. Although she interpreted his putting his hand in the way near the end as his saying "all done." Then we got in bed with the toothbrush and she had a complete and total meltdown, got out of my grasp 10 times and plopped herself face down screaming. It was bad news all around.


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We watched the video while brushing. And whenever Carlos got a break L did too. Maybe try it that way tomorrow? But it didn't get us a back teeth brush. She wasn't having that. Hopefully tomorrow.

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We did the song and the breaks, but she was hysterical by the first second, so I don't know if anything would have helped. I'll try in front of the video tomorrow.


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I totally feel your pain. I have no idea why sometimes it goes well and sometimes its just a clusterfucking of epic proportions. We have to start brushing her teeth before she gets tired, or else its a mess, but there are also other factors that I just don't get.

Today we brushed her teeth at 7, right after dinner and it was okay, but when she was done, she was done. I hope tomorrow goes well and that we can slowly get to a full brush. Plus OMFG doing this in 5 mins as opposed to over an hour is so much less tedious

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Yeah, there's not much to get you past the hysterics once they start. Then I just try to get it over as soon as possible and move on to something else. At least that's what I do for the diaper changes, which can be nightmarish sometimes. Actually, if I sing this one crazy rooster song to him he can break out of hysterics sometimes. But that involves tummy tickles and I am not really sure how that would work with a tooth brushing routine. Good luck tomorrow.


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Thanks for posting this! BabyEnchilada has had all 16 teeth since he was 10 months (he's 18 now) and always loved my electric toothbrush, but in just the last couple weeks has changed his mind. Now he tolerates me brushing with his brush for about 5 seconds and then starts frantically signing "all done." So I showed him this video and said, "watch how this mama helps her baby brush teeth. We'll try it right after we watch the video!" It went great and I got all of those little teeth. Yay!


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This is Leela's favorite video ever. She asks to watch it by making the sign for "baby" and then "brush teeth." Its hilarious. Carlos is a celebrity to her!

Also, my husband was telling me that his friends told him that they didn't brush their kid's teeth until she was 2 because you don't have to. These are people who give their daughter koolade in a baby bottle to run around with. I can't even.

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Tofulish wrote:
This is Leela's favorite video ever. She asks to watch it by making the sign for "baby" and then "brush teeth." Its hilarious. Carlos is a celebrity to her!


That is so cute!


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