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i am in the midst of planning a vacation to Glacier Natl Park for July or August of 2015 for me, husband, and BP.
im at the point now where if im gonna do it i just need to book it.
BabyPunk will be turning 2 at the end of April. so she would be closing in on 2.5 when we went.

the thing with Glacier is if we are going to go you really should book a year in advance or the lodging fills up. for Yellowstone we managed to do it 6 months out but im not sure i would have enjoyed having a toddler in the lodging we had.

looking at flights it's 9ish hours of travel time from Boston to north western Montana. there is one 3 hour layover so that actually breaks the traveling up into sections of 3 hours (3 hours flying, 3 hours layover, 3 hours flying).

so the big question is would you do that with a 2.5 year old or is that just some bat shiitake crazy talk?

i know every kid is different so what we do have in our favor is thus far BP has proven to be a very quiet calm kid. she is not like a wrecking ball toddler that is into everything and running around crazy. she is pretty chill for the most part and is easily amused with either books or just poking at something new. her tantrums are pretty short lived and not that bad. HOWEVER i cant guarantee she will be the same a year from now. we havent even hit the "terrible twos" yet.

just not sure about the 9 hours travel time (plus more in the car) and also a week of being in a national park.
i would love to bring her as i think it's important to expose them as young as possible to great stuff like national parks and we take her hiking quite a bit already (or walking i guess), just not sure how it would go with a 2.5 year old since i have no experience with 2.5 year olds. the way she is now i would take her. in fact we are going to Asheville in a couple weeks to visit my SIL and we are spending two days in Great Smoky Mountains Natl Park.

the reason im thinking of going there next year rather than when she is a little older is next June will be me and my husband's 10th anniversary and we dont think she will be old enough to leave for a week but we thought we could do a bigger family vacay with the 3 of us as we have some money saved for this occasion.

i hate to book it now and then in a year regret it cause she is a crazy pants toddler.

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 Post subject: Re: 2 years old and vacation (aka would you do this)
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:44 pm 
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Well, fwiw, L is a crazypants 2.5 year old preschooler/toddler and we just got back from vacation, and I feel like as long as we went with her flow, it was all good. That flow was very different from what I would have done, but you have to create peace with it. So instead of doing giant hikes, you may just have days where you hang out by the cabin and dig in the dirt. And that can be fantastic, as long as you don't regret the things you aren't doing. So when I felt resentful that I couldn't try any of the big Disney rides (Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Everest), I had to recenter and remember that she is only going to be this little once. (We talked about me going on a big ride alone and she said "No Mama, you're going to miss me too much if you go!" And she was pretty overwhelmed and a bit clingy during our trip so I didn't want to impose something on her that she wasn't okay with).

As far as the flight, we just did a 2 hour flight, so others will have better information. It really wasn't bad. She played around for about an hour (we brought tons of toys but she ended up loving the pipecleaners and we did some cool crafts with them) and then fell asleep, and would probably have had a pretty solid sleep. She could understand about equalizing and we brought fruit pouches for sucking so she never had any ear issues. We used the stroller in the airport and then gatechecked it and put her in a car-seat and that was easy and we were the only people who even made that kind of effort! There were TONS of kids way smaller than L, who had their own seats and just sat on their parents lap for take-off and landing and it was fine.

TL;DR: Happy Anniversary! I would do it!

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If I only had one kid I'd totally do it! Sven is 2.5 now and I have so much fun with him at this age. I'd love to travel with him, as long as we kept it low-key, didn't have too many expectations, and made sure to schedule a lot of down time.


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I would do it! So far I only have experience with a 2.25 year old, but she's pretty much up for whatever, as long as there are snacks.


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Are you worried about the flights or the park?

For the flights, that spread doesn't look ideal but it doesn't sound awful either. She might sleep through one of those flights fairly well. A long stopover will give you plenty of time to run around the airport, find the next gate, and have a bite to eat (or scramble if the first flight is delayed). The thing that's less ideal is having two pretty sizable flights in a row, but what can you do about that? You'll live through it.

For the park, especially if you're staying in hotel style lodging, it sounds great. Just don't expect to cover nearly as much ground as you would without a toddler - we had a great time in Yosemite with V at slightly younger than that, but she did have periods where she'd have to jump off every. single. rock. Tlish is right - if you don't have any expectations that you will see All The Things, you'll be a lot happier in the end. For camping you can probably make it work but with a toddler I would definitely recommend car camping over backpacking.. just the sheer amount of stuff that toddlers need (like just changes of clothes, diapers if need be, portable potty, favorite foods, etc, and the fact that they can't really carry their own weight) would be a dealbreaker for me.


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I say go for it too! Like annak and Tofulish said, the biggest things will be keeping your expectations realistic, aka toddler-centric, and dealing with all the stuff you will need.

We just got back from a big transcontinental trip--10 flights in all, ranging from 1.5 hours to 7 hours, and it was fine. People do it, you can do it, you'll know what works for entertaining BabyPunk and keeping her happy. The only bummer, really, is that if she's over 2 the tickets will be more expensive!

And the time at Glacier will probably be awesome too. Obviously it's too soon to start planning all the details now, like what activities BP will enjoy most, but you will figure it out by then. Make some special time and celebrate being together as a family.


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thanks guys. glad to see no one was like OH MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOO

you're all right about making sure not to expect too much or plan too much. even for our upcoming 2 days in Great Smoky Mountains Natl Park i planned waaaaaaaaaay less than i normally would. there is a whole western part of the park we're not even going to hit because it would mean more time in the car. when i was asking for suggestions on things to do on a travel forum i made sure all the hikes were less than 2 miles round trip (also because of time constraints).

she used to happily be toted in the ergo wherever we went but as soon as she figured out that walking thing, even when it was still just holding our hands and walking, she was less inclined to be happy in the ergo. so now we do things at the speed of toddling.

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I know this is an older post, but I have 3 little kids and I drag them all over, everywhere, all the time by myself.

Long train rides (usually with Mr Crabby in tow) are kind of tedious, but the only major trouble was when Beety barfed on the train (in a bag, quikly disposed of with no mess or smell, because I am supermom and also really good at reading Beety's barfing cues), the time both Beety and Raygold had diarrhea on the train and Mr Crabby had to change their pants, and the toughest for me was (the weekend before last) when Beety had diarrhea on the train when it was just me and the 3 boys and a few bags of groceries and I had to change Beety's pantaloons in the train loo with Vax strapped to me in the mei tai. (The moral of the story is to keep spare undies and a plastic bag in your purse.)

So from my point of view, going anywhere with a spouse and just one kid is not so tough. By the time she is 2.5, you will probably totally be in the habit of bringing everything you could possibly need for emergencies, etc.

Also, bring a carrier in case she gets tired of walking or get her in the habit of walking a ton all the time. Or both! :D

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 Post subject: Re: 2 years old and vacation (aka would you do this)
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I think as long as you're outdoors, almost any toddler will be THRILLED. Plane rides can be a PITA, but you'll know better as the date approaches whether it'll be a manageable PITA or whether you'll be chasing her up and down the aisles going out of your mind. Either way, it won't last forever!

The only things I've found truly difficult about traveling with a 17 month old and then a 35 month old are plane issues, food issues (bought her the wrong kind of soy milk while in Oregon, she flipped out), and taking her places where she couldn't freely touch everything - interestingly the worst place on the most recent trip was a Japanese garden - hey, there's a shiitake ton of rocks over there, I must touch them all!


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 Post subject: Re: 2 years old and vacation (aka would you do this)
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OMG that was us at World of Wings. She liked the indoor playspace well enough, wasn't really into the butterfly area and was OBSESSED by the rocks in the fountain. It took us 2.5 hours to leave that place after we walked out of the front door.

And I do think the worst part of the plane trip was just feeling really worried about how she was going to impact other travelers and whether everyone was going to be super-pissed off at her. My husband said that I spent more time worrying about keeping her distracted on the 2 hour flight than on what would happen when we got there.

And the only thing that I would change about the flight on United was to carry more bottles of water because the flight attendants were so chintzy about giving us more than 4oz of water at a time and then disappeared so we were all parched. You can take water on for the kiddo - it just needs to be tested before you go through security.

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 Post subject: Re: 2 years old and vacation (aka would you do this)
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How are you and your husband at traveling? and How are you both at traveling together?

To me that will tell you if you should do this or not. My husband and I DO NOT travel well together! Throw our two kids into a trip that far away and it would be a nightmare. We've been together for 20 years now and I think this past summer was one of our first where we didn't get annoyed at each other and we only go 1 hour away from our house to the Jersey Shore for a week. Next year we are all going to Mexico with my parents and sister for my Mom's birthda. We are not looking forward to it.

If you guys are compatible travelers then I say go for it! If not...really think about it first.

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 Post subject: Re: 2 years old and vacation (aka would you do this)
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interesting point!
we travel well together. i would say in the stressful parts like if we're late for a flight or lost or whatever we definitely butt heads but overall we travel well together.
usually (ie pre-child) we'd both be pretty relaxed and in good moods and not stressed. not sure how throwing a toddler in the mix will change that.

i get scared on planes so im wondering how that is going to affect BP. she's a sensitive child so im guessing my stress is going to rub off on her. gonna have to BREATHE

starting to get panicky about navigating the airport with a toddler. my SIL (mom of BP's cousin who is 5 weeks younger) told me having a baby with you makes you basically a VIP and you get to go through a special security line. we'll see what happens.
im going to wear her in the ergo but assume i will have to take it off for security

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No, you can wear them right through the metal detector! You don't have to take them off and you don't have to go through the porno scanner! It's awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: 2 years old and vacation (aka would you do this)
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We had a GREAT time at Orlando airport - they had a separate line for strollers (we gate checked ours). We went through security in a matter of minutes, they were all so nice to us and especially sweet with L. All the people in that line were experts in checking childseats and other kiddie gear, so we were astonished at how fast we moved.

Newark was far less accommodating - still didn't have to go through the "porno scanner" (heh) but had to wait in the regular line, which was superfun because L kept trying to escape and run away. All while other children acted completely non-bonkers and stood in line.

I had planned to wear her, but she was Not Having it. And so on our trip to Disney, we had her walking or B would carry her, but on the way back we used a stroller and it was really easy. Just in case BP doesn't feel like being worn that day :)

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wow i can wear her through security?
that is super sweet!

i just realized when i wrote the my post yesterday i was thinking of our upcoming trip to NC next week and not this potential future trip when she is 2.5.

we're not bringing a stroller next week but we are bringing our car seat. in fact i just ordered a bag thing that has wheels and backpack straps for it so hopefully that is a convient thing to have. we're planning on gate checking that.
right now im pretty sure she will let me wear her through security. she is still a shaky walker (definitely still got that toddler stride) so she doesnt seem to mind being carried or worn unless we're somewhere where we specifically went to toddle around like the park or a walking trail then she;s not having it. at 2.5 im thinking it will be a crapshoot but then i can just walk her through security.

do they let the whole family through the special security line or just the parent with the kid? every time my super tall super skinny husband goes through the "porno" scanner his bony shoulders set it off for reasons we've never figured out (sub machine guns in his shoulders?)

i have to get going on this theoretical trip to Glacier next year if we're going to do it. we've been so busy lately i kind of forgot to discuss it.

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im bumping this thread up rather than starting a new one for a similar topic.

we're going to CO next month for a week and im just looking for tips on how to have a smooth vacation wtih a 3 year old.

as i mentioned previously in this thread BP is a really good traveler.
she's already had 3 plane trips (so 6 flights) and has been totally fine on the plane. i have been stockpiling dinosaur related stickers and activity books so i should have plenty for both flights and if i need to keep her entertained in the car or at a restaurant.

my main issue lately with her whether it's on vacation or at home is she doesnt nap any more which is fine but i need to keep her consistantly fed or she just crumbles. she inherited this charming hangriness from me. with her though she doesnt understand yet she needs to eat so she screams and falls apart and says she wants to go to bed (which is secret code for she wants to nurse)

previously when we would go places, because of her anxieties she would mainly just sit with us and stare at things and now that shes getting better with those things she is much more likely to just start screaming somewhere if she's cranky or not sit still....you know normal toddler stuff ;-)

i have granola bars and peanut butter packets to keep with us (including sun butter ones for the plane and other public places). we'll be in Boulder for i think 3ish days and we have a rental spot with a kitchen so im gonna get a few basic groceries so im going to keep pbj on hand because that seems to work with her. i might even make some before we leave home and just pack them in my backpack so i have them when we get there before we go grocery shopping. after that we're moving on to Rocky Mountain Natl Park and im not even sure we'll have a refrigerator in our lodging but i think we might buy a cheapy cooler because we'll probably mainly be having picnics for lunch.

even though she really doesnt nap anymore (she napped 1 day last week) i have booked some downtime in the afternoons because i think she might need to nap because we'll be busy and i havent planned much for evenings.

i think most of the stuff we're doing will interest her. there is a ton of dinosaur stuff out in that area because that's the part of hte country where dino fossils were found the most. we're doing a fair amount of hiking which she likes even though she is literally the worlds slowest hiker but the least we're not dragging her to a bunch of adult things to do that she would be bored at. i kept all the hikes i planned short too with the idea that she would either be walking or riding on my back.

i feel like with low expectations with getting my itinerary actually done (its fine if we dont) and keeping her well fed and rested we should have a good week (and im sure we;ll have meltdowns too) but i was wondering if any other people had tricks for traveling with toddlers

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I always feel relieved to know that other people's kids have the same things going on as mine. Phineas also gets hangry, but doesn't realize that's the issue and refuses to eat. I've found that I need to put the food in front of him and basically order him to eat it when this happens. In addition to granola bars and peanut butter like you mentioned, I bring raisins, dried apricots and cereal.

Phineas doesn't nap at home anymore either, but will sometimes nap while we're travelling because all the extra fun exhausts him. We bring along his umbrella stroller for that purpose. If he won't nap during the day, we just tuck him into bed early. When he's asleep, we transfer him to the stroller and go out for a walk. He's delicious to bugs, so I douse a hotel towel with bug spray and cover him with that. (I don't like the idea of actually bug spraying him since he still puts his hands in his mouth way too much).

Any travel related issue that we've had with Phineas has been because he's either hungry or tired, so I don't really have any other tips. He's generally found something to enjoy even in places you wouldn't think are kid friendly, so I'm sure BP will have tons of fun.

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I always feel relieved to know that other people's kids have the same things going on as mine. Phineas also gets hangry, but doesn't realize that's the issue and refuses to eat. I've found that I need to put the food in front of him and basically order him to eat it when this happens.


this is totally my life right now. she falls apart refuses to eat anything and i have to make a pbj and literally shove it in her face. fun times!
we've been trying to teach her that when she feels crappy it might be because she's hungry and if she eats she will feel better. so far this has not worked :-P

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