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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:08 am 
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LP, my first cried tonnes at that time of day too. And the gassiness - it was rough. It sucks when they cry for so long, but there's only so much you can do. We gave Izzy gripe water, did bicycle legs, all kinds of things, but it mostly seemed to just take time. She'll probably grow out of it all on her own. I know that's probably not very reassuring, but when you're on the other side of this phase, maybe you can just look back on it as part of the whole package of those early days with your little one.

That's pretty much how it was here for my first two (no idea if Vax will follow suit). I tried every trick people recommended, nothing worked. My friend Peter had the same problem with teething, nothing helped. My paternal gran had 7 kids and they were all really colicky. I think sometimes there's just not much you can do.

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Do you have a hand pump? I was able to use mine (sometimes) with one hand when F was really tiny.

I had one (an Avent Isis?) with Beet and it broke almost straight away and I didn't realise and just thought it was a cheap piece of shiitake until I gave it to a friend who said no, it was actually broken. I have a medela swing, but I can't be bothered with sterilising all the parts. I am pretty good at hand-expressing and it's not like I need to express milk other than to relieve my engorged porno boobs. (We don't even have bottles anymore, I don't think.)

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yeah, sometimes fussiness is a sign that something is wrong. and sometimes its a sign that being in the world is tough and overwhelming and frustrating for a little baby. and there's not much you can do about that, except keep them as warm and dry and peaceful as possible. honestly, for every age i've been through, i find myself saying, "being X age is tough!" being three is tough, being two is tough, and being a newborn is tough too.


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i went to a bf group today and the person who runs it helped me figure out how to have her lay across my stomach and nurse.
we did it twice when we got home and both times she nursed for an insanely long time.

usually she nurses for like 7-8 mins, a long time would be 15-20 mins.
she nursed for over 30 mins the first time and 40 mins the second time.

does it really come out that much slower when she's on top of me rather than upright or laying down??

she was definitely eating cause i could feel it and i could hear the suck/suck/swallow

i cant believe the difference. she just laid there and peacefully nursed and didnt pop off once i got her on.
i hope it helps with her gas. she's been better i think the last couple days.
mornings is the worst. i think the 6pm freakouts were definitely more just regular baby fussiness and not the gas.

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Oh, that is really good to hear!


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Today, we are reading a version of the 5 Little Ducks. In this one, there is an added bit after each verse which reveals where each duck goes when they don't come back. They are all collecting things for a birthday party for Mommy Duck at the end, and one of the ducks goes to a farm and "asked for some milk, from a cow, of course". I read the book once just not thinking and then later, wondered about the veganism issue, but by then she was already expecting the duck to find milk at the farm, so I didn't worry about it too much. It's about ducks, not people and yeah.

So today, we get to the end page and she's telling me all of the things that the ducks bring for mommy..flowers, cake, etc. We look at the milk and she says "cow". I say "yeah. Do *we* drink milk from cows?" Quick as a wink, she pats my chest and says "mommy..milk...mommymilk..Fey". That's right, baby!


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thats so cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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for those of you that use non-disposable ie washable nursing pads in your bra how often do you change them out?
every day? depends on how much milk is in them?
i bought a pack of 3 sets yesterday. im all about getting rid of the disposable items in my life!

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for those of you that use non-disposable ie washable nursing pads in your bra how often do you change them out?
every day? depends on how much milk is in them?
i bought a pack of 3 sets yesterday. im all about getting rid of the disposable items in my life!

I wash mine when they either start to stink of sour milk or when I wash my bra or nursing tank or whatever I have them stuffed into (full disclosure -- once a week; I'm not really a smelly or greasy person and when I have a newborn, I just don't get around to bathing as often as I'd like (twice a week is my preference -- I don't care if y'all think I'm gross)). I don't really leak much milk (I usually don't leak any after the first week or two), but use mine to stop the lansinoh (I know...not vegan, but vegetarian at least) from grease-staining my shirts.

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Sick-baby is attached to my boob allatimes. I am so touched out.

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I so know how you feel, Tlish. (V isn't sick but between teething and potty training, plus just how she normally is, we're rolling like newborns around here!) When I started typing this she was fondling a boob through my PJs with her foot. Since then she pulled down my shirt and started nursing. So ready to be done with nursing. (V's current life plan that I have made for her and with which she vehemently disagrees is that over the next month-ish we'll get the PT settled and then start actively weaning with the goal of cutting way down by around her 2nd birthday. She doesn't need to nurse anymore, she did just fine the week she stayed with my parents)


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This is random as hell, but I wonder if people with toddler-ish kids have noticed any truth to the idea that kids go on to like to eat things their moms ate a lot while breastfeeding. I read this somewhere in like, an actual study (that I can't find now) and thought it was interesting. But since the Magician pretty much doesn't like to eat anything but plain uncooked tofu* and I can't for the life of me remember what I ate while nursing the Emperor (who likes everything, except beans, which I definitely ate a TON of while nursing) I don't really have any data points.

*which I actually do like to eat, but not often.

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Last night, Will kept signing "milk, please" and giggling at me while he was nursing before bed. It was so cute!

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LP- I washes mine once they were all dirty and I realized I was out. I would wear them as long as they weren't soaked. If it just had a little dribble, I'd let it dry. By the end, I would just wash them in a hot cycle with no detergent and air dry.

C&S- I ate almonds all the time while pregnant and Will would always get really active when I did (My husband got sick of me saying "baby likes almonds!" every time I ate them.) and now he loves almond butter and doesn't seem to mind almond milk.

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pretty much as soon as i posted that i noticed i had a huge wet circle on my tank top. it had soaked through the pad, my bra, and my tank top.

im so ready for this oversupply business to regulate itself. i have wicked leaky boobs right now :-/

so that one lasted like 4 hours :-P
i have it out airdrying though so good to know it's not totally filthy to keep reusing them ;-)

also TCC i barely shower anymore so dont worry! i only make a point to shower when i know i have an appt or am seeing people that day. so i showered this morning since we had a pedi appt.

if im just going out to do errands or what not i stink it up.
i tried showering daily at the beginning because i like to shower but a couple times she would wake up i the middle of my shower and i would get out of the shower to hear her screaming and feel like the worst mom ever.
yay for saving on the water and oil bill!

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Ugh you guys, I think I might be ready to be done with breastfeeding. Poopieboy will be 3 in 11 days, and over the last couple of weeks he's had like this resurgence of neediness and wanting to nurse ALL THE TIME. If I'm sitting, he wants boob. And I'm just over it. More often than not it irritates me and makes my skin crawl. I feel awful just saying that and I'm trying so hard not to let on how much it bothers me, but I'm really struggling. We're getting him his own bed for his birthday, so I guess I'm hoping to wean sort of simultaneously with stopping co-sleeping (maybe a little after - I don't want him to feel like it's too much change at once).

Am I just terrible for starting to hate breastfeeding so much? It's been pretty sudden, but I feel like a really bad mother for letting it bother me so much.

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Ugh you guys, I think I might be ready to be done with breastfeeding. Poopieboy will be 3 in 11 days, and over the last couple of weeks he's had like this resurgence of neediness and wanting to nurse ALL THE TIME. If I'm sitting, he wants boob. And I'm just over it. More often than not it irritates me and makes my skin crawl. I feel awful just saying that and I'm trying so hard not to let on how much it bothers me, but I'm really struggling. We're getting him his own bed for his birthday, so I guess I'm hoping to wean sort of simultaneously with stopping co-sleeping (maybe a little after - I don't want him to feel like it's too much change at once).

Am I just terrible for starting to hate breastfeeding so much? It's been pretty sudden, but I feel like a really bad mother for letting it bother me so much.

This is pretty much what happened when my oldest was almost three. I think we ended it maybe a month before his birthday, but I was feeling WAY too touched out all the time. And he really didn't need the milk anymore, and it was just making me grumpy when he'd try to pull out my boobs or tweak my nipple. Nearly three years of nursing is an incredible accomplishment in itself, so give yourself a break - that is a looot of touching and not having your body to yourself for so long. It's completely logical and normal for it to start bothering you. You have already done so much for him! You are a wonderful mother.

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Poopie, you've been at it every day all day for 3 years. Even if the "it" in this case was eating giant slices of delicious chocolate cake, you would be over it by now! And as far as I know, P doesn't give you cake while he nurses, so, yeah.

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LisaPunk wrote:
for those of you that use non-disposable ie washable nursing pads in your bra how often do you change them out?
every day? depends on how much milk is in them?
i bought a pack of 3 sets yesterday. im all about getting rid of the disposable items in my life!


I was in the "wash only when soiled" camp until I came down with a hideous case of thrush. Then I was in the "boil everything that touches breasts" camp for months and months. I still won't wear a nursing bra from two days in a row because I don't want to take the chance! Full disclosure though I never used the washable nursing pads - at the time of infection I was using "lilypads" which tended to keep my nips super moist and thus was a lovely environment for yeast to flourish.

on a different note - giles turns 1 in 2.5 weeks and I am starting to wean from the pump. I am down to 3 pumps per days which is total heaven, but even though I want to be done sooooo badly I am kind of freaking out as I see my oz per day decreasing. I am now at 20 ounces per day and slowly losing ounces as the days go by...why do I feel like such a nutcase right now, wanting to be done but panicking when I see it happen? Also - Giles really is not a good eater. He is an excellent weight for height (28 lbs!!) but I think he still gets most of his nutrients from the breast milk. We bought one can of formula last month, which we haven't really needed. Should I use the formula or just go ahead and just move him to "milk" (I am thinking almond since that he what I prefer to drink). I assume the formula has more calories/nutrients? He kind if a processed carb only kind of kid at the moment (yesterday he had a corner of toast with a little almond butter for breakfast, mango and some potato logs for lunch, and about 3 plain ziti noodles for dinner...not exactly meals for champions there... He doesn't have his pedi appt until the end of the months so I am just not sure what do to in the meantime.


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Yeah, my pads (wool, I know, but the only reusable ones I could find here) would get these kind of stiff patches after a day or two, so I'd wash them in the sink and then dry them overnight on the radiator.

But I actually stopped needing them around 5 months, I think.

In other news, tiny wu is working on her second tooth and we had a brief problem with biting, just a couple times. So I said "Ow! Don't bite, that hurts Mommy!" but not even in a loud voice, and tw immediately pulled off and cried SO HARD! Just utter devastation. I've had to do that maybe 3 times--and I feel bad every time because she gets SO SAD, but she has to learn, right--and I guess that's the whole parenthood thing in a nutshell. Anyway, now it's been maybe 5 days since we've had any incidents, and I keep telling her what a good job she's doing with her teeth and being careful nursing. So that's good news.

My MIL told me she pinched her kids when they bit so they'd learn it hurt, but I'm hopeful we are not going to need to go that route.


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on a different note - giles turns 1 in 2.5 weeks and I am starting to wean from the pump. I am down to 3 pumps per days which is total heaven, but even though I want to be done sooooo badly I am kind of freaking out as I see my oz per day decreasing. I am now at 20 ounces per day and slowly losing ounces as the days go by...why do I feel like such a nutcase right now, wanting to be done but panicking when I see it happen? Also - Giles really is not a good eater. He is an excellent weight for height (28 lbs!!) but I think he still gets most of his nutrients from the breast milk. We bought one can of formula last month, which we haven't really needed. Should I use the formula or just go ahead and just move him to "milk" (I am thinking almond since that he what I prefer to drink). I assume the formula has more calories/nutrients? He kind if a processed carb only kind of kid at the moment (yesterday he had a corner of toast with a little almond butter for breakfast, mango and some potato logs for lunch, and about 3 plain ziti noodles for dinner...not exactly meals for champions there... He doesn't have his pedi appt until the end of the months so I am just not sure what do to in the meantime.


Malka is almost twice as old, but she is a similarly bad eater. We weaned from formula to soy milk over the course of several months and she is now, finally, on all soy milk. We add Udo's Oil to bump up the calories - we add 1/2 tsp, so 20 calories per bottle. Formula has 20 cal/oz. (which is about the same as breast milk), the soy milk we use (unsweetened) has 10 cal/oz., so that's a big difference. The almond milk I use on my cereal has 5 cal/oz - to me that's a pretty drastic shift to make from breast milk or formula to almond milk. I am a little worried that even shifting to the lower calorie soy has made Malka want to drink more milk, because she was down to around 24 oz. a day (still too much) and now is back up at 32 - any advice on weaning a kid from high volume milk consumption would be helpful! In hindsight, I kind of wish we had gotten her down to drinking less than 16 oz. of formula a day and then switched her over to the soy. Is Giles happy with the 20 oz/day? Maybe as you decrease if you don't offer him other milks it'll encourage him to eat?


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I didn't realize almond milk was so much lower calorie then the soy! I guess I really need to do my research. Also, I so casually state I would switch him to almond milk without recalling the fact that a month or so ago the boy refused all milks and formulas I tried (we finally ended up with a non-vegan, non-organic, non-anything I want my child ingesting reguarly formula which my husband bought in this humongo container that I feel guilty about wasting and equally guilty feeding to my baby.) Being a parent is so confusing sometimes!


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AR, I started writing a response yesterday about how M is the same way-- really not into much in the way of solids-- then stopped because I realized I'd written a paragraph on my frustration with getting him to drink any kind of milk (we have tried them forking all) and thought it wasn't relevant to your case. Sorry to hear Giles is the same way! But for what it's worth, I finished pumping for M like six weeks ago (he still nurses at bedtime and sometimes once overnight) and though he's not eating much or drinking milk at all, he's still thriving, not losing weight, etc.

I am a little neurotic about it still because he looks so "small" to me still. He's not, he weighs 25 lbs and is pretty tall. My brain still hasn't adjusted from E, who was a giant baby.

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My husband keeps reminding me that kids will "get what they need" which is probably true...but it is SO hard to trust that! I was talking to my friend who shares my Pedi and she said that when she had a similar issue with her oldest the doc just said to move to a "milk" and offer food and in a healthy child that is all they need even if it seems like they aren't eating enough. So I guess that is what we will do...I don't want his lovely wrist rolls to vanish though!!!


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