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We had our dogs before we were vegan and fed them non-veg food long after we were vegan so I have experience on both sides. We have probably tried 20 different dog foods, all fairly high end. Our corgi mix used to have a lot of issues with her stomach but since being on V-dog, she has had none. We have also tried to test out other veg dog foods and even with slowly mixing in the new food, our beagle starts to get diarrhea. So he stays on v-dog.

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I would definitely try to find out, if you can, what exactly it is about the Hills food is supposed to work. There's nothing magic about crappy meat by-products and corn gluten.

We have a cat at the shelter who was surrendered because she had chronic UTIs and bladder stones and the owners didn't want to pay to treat them anymore. Of course the vet recommended the Hills prescription food, but the cat would not eat it. She was 100% willing to starve herself to death rather than eat it. So we looked at what made the food good for preventing crystals, and it was the low level of magnesium. We tried other cat foods that had the same level of magnesium and found one that she would eat. We add extra water to the canned food and don't give her any dry.

Vegepet sells a yeast supplement (vegeyeast) that is supposed to be 100x more acidic than nooch or brewers yeast. Veggies and grains are more alkaline than meat, so you could ask your vet about adding supplements to the diet to increase acidity (although if the vet is dead set against veganism, they may not want to listen to you at all... in which case my advice is to find a more sympathetic vet.).

I would definitely try to get him to drink more. Some dogs prefer fresh water, so you can try changing it several times a day, or get one of those pet fountains. Reading different sites, it seems there are many people who prefer to use distilled water for dogs prone to crystals. If you are feeding dry kibble, soak it in water until it is basically mush. If it's canned add water and stir it to a smoothie-like consistency. Also letting him outside frequently to urinate is a good idea.


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I feed my dog natural balance and she seems to be losing hair. Anybody else notice this? Anybody have a solution?

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 Post subject: Re: What do you feed your dogs? (Vet is blaming vegan diet .
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The fact that your vet is recommending high-grain foods worries me, but tons of animals that eat a non-vegan diet get crystals. I can't say whether or not that's a contributor, but it's definitely not the only reason.

Anyway, the Honest Kitchen has a wet grain-free vegetarian food. http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/products/preference/


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I feed my dog natural balance and she seems to be losing hair. Anybody else notice this? Anybody have a solution?

Oh no! Their vegan brand is free from typical allergens, maybe she has a more obscure one? Do you use any fur/treatments/supplements on her that may be causing? I feed Gizmo the vegan natural balance and it had the opposite effect, she stopped losing her hair. When she was eating commercial dog food she was a mess.

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Anyway, the Honest Kitchen has a wet grain-free vegetarian food. http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/products/preference/


That food is not complete as is, it needs to be mixed with meat to be (as it says on the webpage....).


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My dogs eat Natural Balance and they both have a ton of shiny, silky hair. That is on everything I own.

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My dogs eat Natural Balance and they both have a ton of shiny, silky hair. That is on everything I own.


EVERYTHING.

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Simply_Love wrote:
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Anyway, the Honest Kitchen has a wet grain-free vegetarian food. http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/products/preference/


That food is not complete as is, it needs to be mixed with meat to be (as it says on the webpage....).


Or whatever source of protein you choose to add? It's 6% protein hydrated.


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I feed my dog natural balance and she seems to be losing hair. Anybody else notice this? Anybody have a solution?

Oh no! Their vegan brand is free from typical allergens, maybe she has a more obscure one? Do you use any fur/treatments/supplements on her that may be causing? I feed Gizmo the vegan natural balance and it had the opposite effect, she stopped losing her hair. When she was eating commercial dog food she was a mess.


I just wanted to see if anyone else has had that problem. I'm glad to know it's allergen-free! I do feed her the vegan dog food and she loves it. She smells better, doesn't fart as much and seems to eliminate like a champ. I guess I got shaken up because someone in my life recently commented that she may not be getting the correct amount/type of protein. Does that make sense?

There may be other factors contributing to the hair loss honestly. She rubs her tummy on stuff a lot and that seems to be the main place that she's losing hair. The hair on her back is course and thick. Her behavior and tolerance for exercise has not changed and there's nothing else that seems indicative of an allergy. I just got worried after someone made that protein comment.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you feed your dogs? (Vet is blaming vegan diet .
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The vet I saw today said it was the veganism. Then went on to state she doesn't believe that dogs can have allergies or sensitivities to foods and told me the best dog food on the market was the stuff they sold, science brand ones.

ingredients: Water, Corn Starch, Egg Product (forget what it said in brackets), chicken liver by products, wheat, pork liver by-products, animal fat and a bunch of other filler.

She then mentioned she wasn't a nutritionist and had no response to what foods or parts of his diet were causing the high PH levels or what foods would reduce it. But we did limit his issue to a certain type of crystal only and that they were likely caused by the high PH in his urine.

She told me to feed him his regular food tonight and tomorrow morning to double check it's the science diet wet food and not his pills that are making him throw up. Then she gave be another science diet wet formula (described above) to try him on tomorrow night. She also suggested I contact the holistic vet if I want to talk alternatives and coddled Party over how Handsome he is.


We have had dalmatians for over 20 years. It is very common for them to have crystals & stones. I always try to feed them foods that are very low in purines and make sure water is readily available. I would assume that vegan dog food would be much lower in purines than non-vegan food. It was my understanding that it has to do with the protein content. I know in people the Atkins diet can cause stones (this happened to my brother in law).

I am very concerned that your vet doesn't believe in allergies due to diet. You might want to consider finding another veterinarian. Dalmatians are also known for skin problems, my current dalmatian had small bumps on his head while on Purina One and they went completely away when I switched him to Blue Buffalo (the one I buy is lower in purines than Purina One).


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I feed my dog natural balance and she seems to be losing hair. Anybody else notice this? Anybody have a solution?

Oh no! Their vegan brand is free from typical allergens, maybe she has a more obscure one? Do you use any fur/treatments/supplements on her that may be causing? I feed Gizmo the vegan natural balance and it had the opposite effect, she stopped losing her hair. When she was eating commercial dog food she was a mess.


I just wanted to see if anyone else has had that problem. I'm glad to know it's allergen-free! I do feed her the vegan dog food and she loves it. She smells better, doesn't fart as much and seems to eliminate like a champ. I guess I got shaken up because someone in my life recently commented that she may not be getting the correct amount/type of protein. Does that make sense?

There may be other factors contributing to the hair loss honestly. She rubs her tummy on stuff a lot and that seems to be the main place that she's losing hair. The hair on her back is course and thick. Her behavior and tolerance for exercise has not changed and there's nothing else that seems indicative of an allergy. I just got worried after someone made that protein comment.


Could it be an outdoor allergy? Especially if it's mostly her stomach, where she'd probably come into contact with pollen, grass, etc. the most.


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 Post subject: Re: What do you feed your dogs? (Vet is blaming vegan diet .
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I'd love an update to this thread. Rhodie just had a urethral blockage from struvite sediment. It was scary and expensive to treat. His vet gave us a bunch of different urinary tract prescription dog foods and they don't look great--corn, wheat, and a bunch of 'byproducts' and told us to wet his food so he gets more fluids in his system. His normal diet is kibble (Natural Balance vegan) and 1/4 can of canned green beans every day. I'll buy the specialty food if necessary but I'm not seeing a lot to convince me it works. I guess he needs stuff to acidity his urine but I'm not seeing what that is in the specialty food. I've read conflicting info about cranberry, vitamin c, and Brewers yeast so this far I can't tell how to supplement his normal food.

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Veterinary urinary foods also have very low levels of certain minerals that are found in crystals. That's just as important as the acidifying properties they may have.

If they get crystals once, it's pretty common they'll get them again. And if he's blocked before, I'd be even more nervous.

Yeah some veterinary diets may not have the "quality" of ingredients as so-called natural pet foods, but there is a ton of research behind them. If you email Hills, I'm pretty sure they'll send you the studies if you want to see them yourself. I'd go with the urinary diet if I were you.


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Veterinary urinary foods also have very low levels of certain minerals that are found in crystals. That's just as important as the acidifying properties they may have.

If they get crystals once, it's pretty common they'll get them again. And if he's blocked before, I'd be even more nervous.

Yeah some veterinary diets may not have the "quality" of ingredients as so-called natural pet foods, but there is a ton of research behind them. If you email Hills, I'm pretty sure they'll send you the studies if you want to see them yourself. I'd go with the urinary diet if I were you.

Thanks, linanil. I believe they probably work. I just think it sucks to pay through the nose for low quality food that has been formulated to have low mineral content and some acidifying additives. There's nothing particularly special about the ingredients that merits the cost. It also sucks that some of the brands the vet recommended have had recalls (not sure what for).

I don't want to jeopardize his health so we'll use the prescription stuff for a month (on their website they said it takes an average of 27 days for the food to dissolve struvite xtals). He's supposed to get a checkup in 3 weeks so hopefully I'll know if the crystals have gone away. I brought home some pH paper from work so I can see if the pH is going down. The vet also said to increase his water intake so I'll add water to his food and also at night try to get him to drink some extra water (people said it helps to flavor it with a bit of broth). I hoe all these things work. After that...? I may stick to the Rx stuff but I would love a more healthful alternative.

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Just to chime in with another problem that the vet is blaming the vegan diet for...

Banjo is 3 1/2 and we've been feeding her V-Dog since she was 1 (our regular vet said vegan was fine but not to start it until age 1). She was recently diagnosed with dilated cardiomyopathy (basically, enlarged heart, will likely have heart failure and die within a year), and the vet cardiologist said that she has seen it before in vegan dogs because they can get low taurine levels. But they tested her taurine level and it was normal, so I don't think it is the vegan diet, but the vet suspects that it still is. She's on prescription cardiac food now anyway, but I don't know if I would feed my next dog a vegan diet.


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I'm really sorry about your pup, DtC.

I'd always been led to believe that DCM had hereditary components, because certain breeds are prone to it. I had heard about the taurine level thing, but I don't think they have proved cause and effect with that one, more like some potential correlation/possibly only in some breeds. So, it may not have been her diet at all. It sucks, but there's no need for the vet to attribute it something you did, when it could have just been a tragedy of genetics/other unavoidable factors.

My baby is a doberman, which is one of the breeds prone to DCM, so I have read up on it a lot/am kind of terrified about it.

She is vegan, but I did make sure to choose a kibble that has taurine just in case. Some don't because I don't think it's currently considered an essential nutrient for dogs (whether or not that's actually the case).

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Veterinary urinary foods also have very low levels of certain minerals that are found in crystals. That's just as important as the acidifying properties they may have.

If they get crystals once, it's pretty common they'll get them again. And if he's blocked before, I'd be even more nervous.

Yeah some veterinary diets may not have the "quality" of ingredients as so-called natural pet foods, but there is a ton of research behind them. If you email Hills, I'm pretty sure they'll send you the studies if you want to see them yourself. I'd go with the urinary diet if I were you.

Thanks, linanil. I believe they probably work. I just think it sucks to pay through the nose for low quality food that has been formulated to have low mineral content and some acidifying additives. There's nothing particularly special about the ingredients that merits the cost. It also sucks that some of the brands the vet recommended have had recalls (not sure what for).

I don't want to jeopardize his health so we'll use the prescription stuff for a month (on their website they said it takes an average of 27 days for the food to dissolve struvite xtals). He's supposed to get a checkup in 3 weeks so hopefully I'll know if the crystals have gone away. I brought home some pH paper from work so I can see if the pH is going down. The vet also said to increase his water intake so I'll add water to his food and also at night try to get him to drink some extra water (people said it helps to flavor it with a bit of broth). I hoe all these things work. After that...? I may stick to the Rx stuff but I would love a more healthful alternative.


Unfortunately this is one situation where a pet has a problem, family feeds vet food and when the bag runs out and tests are good people go back to what they've been feeding before or change to a natural diet that claims to be good for urinary crystals - and then the pet ends up with very bad urinary crystals again. I worked at a veterinary clinic for just around a year and this scenario happened multiple times.

I dislike feeding veterinary diets but, unfortunately, have a diabetic dog and a dog with kidney disease and their food has been integral in keeping them healthy. I'm not convinced that other foods can perform the same way when there's a real medical need unless you work very closely with a very good veterinary nutritionist that helps you formulate a diet to cook at home.

Maybe you would feel ok feeding the vet diet and supplementing with fresh foods to up the health factor? Although I guess you'd have to research what fresh foods are suitable and won't mess with those important mineral levels.

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I'm really sorry about your pup, DtC.

I'd always been led to believe that DCM had hereditary components, because certain breeds are prone to it. I had heard about the taurine level thing, but I don't think they have proved cause and effect with that one, more like some potential correlation/possibly only in some breeds. So, it may not have been her diet at all. It sucks, but there's no need for the vet to attribute it something you did, when it could have just been a tragedy of genetics/other unavoidable factors.

My baby is a doberman, which is one of the breeds prone to DCM, so I have read up on it a lot/am kind of terrified about it.

She is vegan, but I did make sure to choose a kibble that has taurine just in case. Some don't because I don't think it's currently considered an essential nutrient for dogs (whether or not that's actually the case).


I've heard that taurine deficiency can be attributed to DCM but in dogs with a genetic predisposition to heart problems or have an existing heart problem. So the chances of developing DCM are already very high, and yes, no way to really know for sure.

DtC, I'm so sorry that Banjo received that diagnosis. But if her taurine levels were good, that is very interesting. I know some dogs have trouble utilizing taurine properly despite being fed a diet rich in it, but I don't know how common that is.

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