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 Post subject: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:06 pm 
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Hello everybody,

This is my first post, so welcome everyone. A friend recommended this website and told me some smart folks hang out here so I would like to mingle :D

I want to stop feeding animals to my furry cat friend Yari (picture induded below). First something to think about: I don't think having pets is always a good thing and we should try focusing on having loving relatinons with our partners and kids, but somehow as single I found some kind of substitude and got uncondistional love (till i stop feeding him i guess) from my sweet awesome cat (he invited himself over and I took him in).

So I'm living in The Netherlands and feeding him royal canin fit 32 cat food (http://www.royalcanin.co.uk/products/products/cat-products/feline-health-nutrition/fit-32), in the past, all our family dogs and cats did't get sick on royal canin, our faimily labrador is now sixteen years old. I know the cat food probably contains GMO and other bad stuff.

I got the idea that carnivors pulled the short straw in nature and are taking care of balance in live but at the price of living a harsh live and eating a lot of meat takes it toll, also we live in 2013 and we already supliment all the pet animal food and a good portion is aslo made of plant sources. Now I don' t think giving a cat a lot of soy or wheat is a good idea (these are ingredients of royal canin).

So I was wondering, can't I make my own cat food from a formula with supplimentation (I can' t seem to find anything here in The Netherlands, if there is please show me).

Does somebody have a good working cat food formula?

The below is from my current royal canin cat food and looks like a nice starting point:

Nutritional additives: Vitamin A: 14400 IU, Vitamin D3: 700 IU, E1 (Iron): 34 mg, E2 (Iodine): 2.6 mg, E4 (Copper): 6 mg, E5 (Manganese): 44 mg, E6 (Zinc): 145 mg, E8 (Selenium): 0.09 mg Protein: 32% - Fat content: 15% - Crude fibres: 4.4%

Where can I buy the suppliments the cat needs? (cheapish and bulk)?

I got a dyhydrator, blender, food processor, and i can buy a bean/rice/lentels cooker or pressure cooker. If I can make dried pieces or frozen packages that I can thawn then that would be a good start.

I would love to hear all your advice (on a sidenote telling a cat is a natural carnivor and needs to eat meat will not be constructive).

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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:30 pm 
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jelledj wrote:
So I was wondering, can't I make my own cat food from a formula with supplimentation (I can' t seem to find anything here in The Netherlands, if there is please show me).


http://www.vega-life.nl/webshop/product ... ts_id=2246


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I would love to hear all your advice (on a sidenote telling a cat is a natural carnivor and needs to eat meat will not be constructive).

Cats need for instance Taurine. Messing with their diet could lead to illness, like urinary tract infection (blaasonsteking)


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:43 pm 
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I think you're going to find that most people on the boards do feed their cats meat and feel that it's necessary.

This thread might interest you: "feeding pets meat + animal welfare" viewtopic.php?f=11&t=22037

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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:47 pm 
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Taurine is added to meat based cat food too. Not that I am an advocate of a vegan diet for cats. I'm not but taurine can be supplemented.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:53 pm 
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Quote:
http://www.vega-life.nl/webshop/product_info.php?products_id=2246


Thanks! I just ordered 4kg to see what happens if I gradually introduce it with the royal canin.

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Cats need for instance Taurine. Messing with their diet could lead to illness, like urinary tract infection (blaasonsteking)


True and I did know this, but are there some other vitamins (stuff they need to get out of there diet) or minerals that are often lacking behind or are not optimal?


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:10 pm 
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I'm still interested in what it would take to make my own cat food, so I can control the quality of the ingredients.


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:16 pm 
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I can post a link because I'm on my phone but have you read vegepets.info?

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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:06 am 
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I went through this topic: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=22037
Listened to: http://theveganoption.org/2013/02/01/ca ... ew-knight/
Checked this website: http://www.catnutrition.org/ but its meat based (I know some other sites like that)
The website http://www.vegepets.info/diets/diets/ve ... dices.html and http://www.vegepets.info/suppliers.html where very helpful.
I bought http://www.amipetfood.com/en/products/p ... ats/amicat
I'm slowly going to mix it with his current food so he doesn't get stressed about the change in diet.


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:50 am 
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I know someone who feeds vegan and has been for 20 years. I asked him about it for you.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:25 pm 
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If you insist on feeding you cat a vegan diet, please please please use a pre-formulated vegan cat food that has been made with the specific needs of your cat in mind. I think that messing around with supplements yourself in the hope of trying to get the balance right is playing roulette with your cat's health. Asking strangers on the internet who have no veterinary qualifications or specialist knowledge about feline nutrition to advise you on this is also not likely to provide you with all of the necessary information to ensure your cat gets what he needs.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:04 pm 
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I agree with lepelaar.


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:15 pm 
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I also advise talking to a vet. Cats ona vegan diet are going to need regular testing beyond what a carnivorous cat would.

I'm not endorsing a vegan diet but since it seems like the OP is determined I think the more information they have the better. And since almost every vet recommends against a vegan diet the only place to find it is online.

I know people who have successfully fed cats a vegan diet. I know more that have had serious health problems including death. I urge the OP to hear experiences of people who have had problems feeding a vegan diet since all the provegan sites do not include this perspective.

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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:18 am 
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Hello! I know I'm late to the party on this post, but this is my first time here. ;) I have 16 rescue cats, and they are vegan. They have been fed a vegan diet for about 3 years. I even have one cat that was known for his UTIs at he vet's office. He has not had a single flare up since going vegan. If you're curious what I feed my guys, here goes...I switch back and forth between Ami Cat and Evolution, for variety. I always feed it moistened, with Vegeyeast mixed in. I also plant wheatgrass for them, and always have a bowl of coconut oil out for them to lick on. On weekends, they get homemade food, using recipes that come with the Vegecat supplement. My vet has a hard time arguing against veganism for my cats, since she says they're extremely healthy. All bloodwork has always been excellent. The Vegeyeast I use helps with keeping the urine more acidic. Now I know there are quite a few people against this, and I understand...I used to be one of them. But you can be successful feeding them this way, but it's a bit more involved than just putting some food in a bowl. It's best to do it gradually, and wih an older cat, I would get the urine Ph checked after a month or two after going fully vegan. Urinary tract infections can happen on a meat based diet just like a vegan one. I've had more problems with meat based diets. Sorry for the long post!


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:21 am 
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I forgot to mention...on Facebook there is a Vegan Cats group, and several vets are in the group, and they feed their cats vegan. Good group if you want to get more info, or ask a vet a question.


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:54 am 
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@VeganHoodoo thx!

Just an update, my cat is doing very well so far, I been slowly slowly transitioning him to Ami Cat, by doing 1 cup Ami and 3 cups Royal Canin Fit 32 to currently 3 cups Ami Cat and one cup Fit 32. He seems to like it and is still a happy cat, I did notice his fur getting better, its nice and smooth now.

What I also learned is that you have to add water to kibbles, I never never knew did and I will first transition my cat to Ami Cat and then see what happens if I start adding some water to his kibbles.

I'm keeping a close eye on him, and everything seems to be all fine, I give him loads of hugs as well as extra supplementation :D


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 Post subject: Re: How to make your own plant based cat food?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:24 am 
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@jelledj You're welcome!
I would say, if you can afford the Ami Cat, stick with that. Hands down, it's the best. I have yet to hear of anyone having problems with it. It's the most balanced, and has been thoroughly researched and tested. Evolution is great by itself for most cats, but for some, supplementation is needed to make the urine more acidic. If I could afford to feed all of mine on Ami, I would. But mine are just fine with the supplementation. We call Ami Cat "kitty crack" in our house, since he cats go nuts for it. My kitties' fur feels just like a rabbit's...they never felt that way on a meat based diet. :) If you ever have any questions, let me know! Give your baby a kiss for me!


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