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 Post subject: Help! What country should I move to next?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:54 pm 
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boring story even more boring, I have to choose somewhere to live in about a week. my current top 3 is:
- London, England
- Berlin, Germany
- Melbourne, Australia

(I'm open to new suggestions!)

things I like:
- vegan friendliness
- bike friendliness
- blue skies (lol at London and Berlin!)

also to consider:
- I'll be taking a cat (so, consider quarantine)
- I only reaaaally speak English

as for pros/cons, Melbourne wins in a lot of ways, except that I have ~9 months of travel insurance that'd go wasted in Australia. seems like a shame to throw that away, but I'd really like to see summer in Oz (or elsewhere in the southern hemisphere I suppose)

thoughts? ideas? help!

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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Melbourne is supposed to be so fantabulous. Can you put the health insurance on hold or something? I was surprised when I moved (sort of abruptly) that I was able to put my gym membership and some other things into limbo til i get back.

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What kinds of things do you like doing in your free time?

I personally like Scotland (especially Edinburgh and Glasgow) very much. I left London when I was 18 and never moved back as I really don't like it as a city.

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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torque wrote:
Melbourne is supposed to be so fantabulous. Can you put the health insurance on hold or something? I was surprised when I moved (sort of abruptly) that I was able to put my gym membership and some other things into limbo til i get back.

heh, yeah, I've lived in Melbourne before (I'm Australian). I love that city a lot!

my insurance is travel insurance with specified start/end dates, so there's no budging on it. (my *actual* health insurance is suspended until I return to Australia though :)!)

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What kinds of things do you like doing in your free time?

I personally like Scotland (especially Edinburgh and Glasgow) very much. I left London when I was 18 and never moved back as I really don't like it as a city.

I like riding bikes (indoor velodrome would be a huge plus!), sitting quietly reading, working from cafes, meeting people, fresh/high quality meals

I don't mind Edinburgh, though I've only spent a weekend there in shitty weather. hmm.

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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Move to Berlin.

Wear black clothing.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/68846784@N03/

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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Come to berlin and eat lots of cake with me.

And we had a lot of blue skies this summer. too many for my taste.

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VeganinBerlin wrote:
Come to berlin and eat lots of cake with me.

And we had a lot of blue skies this summer. too many for my taste.


This!

And @veganinberlin: the winter will totally make up for those blue skies!


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VeganinBerlin wrote:
And we had a lot of blue skies this summer. too many for my taste.

NEVER! ENOUGH! BLUE!

so you're in Berlin, let me ask you: basically, I'm a white-late 20s-tech worker. it seems there are about 400 million of "me" in Berlin right now: ruining housing affordability, gentrifying everywhere, changing the culture. am I reading too far into it? will I be contributing to an existing problem? is Berlin just.."cliche" now? I love the city, but I don't want to (contribute to) ruin(ing) it for existing people!

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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How about Greece? I loved visiting Greece, especially Crete. I can't speak to vegan friendliness but English is an official language.

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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hmm yeah, I was thinking Greece/Malta/southern Italy/Spain/Portugal might be good for seeing some sunny days. but of those, only Malta and Italy have a useful visa available for me. and Malta might be massively isolating, but I haven't done much research into it

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joshua wrote:
I don't mind Edinburgh, though I've only spent a weekend there in shitty weather. hmm.
You forgot to mention it was the BEST WEEKEND OF OUR LIVES.
Greece is gorgeous.
I'd go to Spain. Or London. It's only 9 months which is long enough to get a feel for/experience the country but not so long that if you hate it, you go home afterward.

Also, blue skies, hot weather, Phoenix.


(And guns. I know you puffy heart those).


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I totally can NOT see you in London.

I vote Dublin.


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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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vijita wrote:
I vote Dublin.
I feel like you're only recommending that because 1) hair colour and 2) you want to visit.


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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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vijita wrote:
I totally can NOT see you in London.

why! it has Vegemite and Bonsoy

but it's very 'home' in regards to culture. which is kind of alluring, but also kind of..missing the point of travel :)

a lot of people have bailed from Ireland of late, it seems (anecdotally). maybe it's a better place to visit than live?

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Meggs wrote:
joshua wrote:
I don't mind Edinburgh, though I've only spent a weekend there in shitty weather. hmm.
You forgot to mention it was the BEST WEEKEND OF OUR LIVES.
Greece is gorgeous.
I'd go to Spain. Or London. It's only 9 months which is long enough to get a feel for/experience the country but not so long that if you hate it, you go home afterward.

Also, blue skies, hot weather, Phoenix.


(And guns. I know you puffy heart those).

and noooo Mexicans! yay! (???)

hmm!

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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How do you know which countries have a useful visa? Do you have a list? How about somewhere in the caribbean? Like the virgin islands? or Belize?

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linanil wrote:
How do you know which countries have a useful visa? Do you have a list?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_holiday_visa is a good start as long as they list citizens of Australia

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How about somewhere in the caribbean? Like the virgin islands? or Belize?

have you spent much time there? I feel on the whole it'd be fairly isolating, but if anyone has better experiences, I'd love to know!

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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I went to Belize a couple years ago and I have a friend from the US Virgin Islands. I think it depends what you make of it, it might be somewhat isolating as an 'outsider' in Belize and there are lots of Americans there but... many of which are missionaries but some that aren't, I met both. The US VI and British VI both seem like they would be good places to be and sure you are on an island but you aren't far from other places? I think living on an island for 9 months wouldn't be a bad thing.

I think if you are going to travel, maybe stretch away from your comfort zone a little bit. Also, when I went to Belize, we were in a small town and there was a natural food grocery that sold tempeh and tofu, I am pretty sure it was run by an American and also a pizza place with vegan pizza, again run by an American. The people were also very friendly in Belize.

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 Post subject: Re: Help! What country should I move to next?
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hmm yeah. I started looking and I think Malta could be an option. it's more attractive to me than Belize, though I couldn't exactly tell you why

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i spent a week in the Bahamas (mostly Treasure Cay & Marsh Harbour on Abaco) in 2006. it's not the most vegan-friendly place, but the people i stayed with were able to acquire soymilk from somewhere. food seemed a bit expensive, and it seemed like you needed a car to get around, but maybe a larger settlement like Nassau is better for bikes.

consider any other Caribbean islands? South Africa? New Zealand? although i'm not gonna argue if you decide you want to come back to Europe.

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I vote London because it's a great location to fly out of to visit other parts of Europe, the UK has rad PPKers, and also because I want to visit next year.


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joshua wrote:
a lot of people have bailed from Ireland of late, it seems (anecdotally). maybe it's a better place to visit than live?

Well, there are no jobs for normal people, but you are not a normal person career-wise and you have work everywhere! Go hang out with some sheep! Ideally if I were to move to Ireland it wouldn't be Dublin, but you like cities so....


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Yes, the rent is up but there's still a lot of non-hip & non-touristy parts of Berlin. I should know as I live in one. It takes another 10 years or so before it's ruined ;)

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You should absolutely move to Berlin. But you shouldn't do it in the winter. Go spend the next few months in the Canaries or something.


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aelle wrote:
You should absolutely move to Berlin. But you shouldn't do it in the winter. Go spend the next few months in the Canaries or something.

that's my real dilemma, haha. if it were coming into summer, it'd be an easy call. speaking to someone tonight, I may have the hookup on a great space in Spain for a couple of months. so that might tide me over long enough. will have to see what options fall out of this!

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