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 Post subject: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:35 am 
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I assumed that Vital Wheat Gluten and Gluten Flour were the same thing. Yesterday, I tried to make the mini sausage rolls from Vegan Bake Sale using Gluten Flour and the texture of the dough was not the same as when I made them with Vital Wheat Gluten.

I found this blurb here: http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/11954/gluten-flour-vs-vital-wheat-gluten
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Gluten flour vs. vital wheat gluten
Apparently they are the same thing.
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There are several types of gluten flour, most derived from wheat. Gluten is a protein found abundantly in the endosperm of wheat that adds stickiness and sponginess to dough. When people cook with other whole grains, they may not have adequate gluten, and might need to use a bit of pure gluten in order to make breads and other baked goods lighter. There are a few ways to add extra gluten to dough, most of them employing some type of gluten flour to accomplish this.


Pure gluten flour or vital wheat gluten is flour that is treated so that wheat bran and starch are removed. This means it’s much lower in carbohydrates, and much higher in protein. A quarter cup (30g) of pure gluten flour can contain 23 grams of protein, though it’s seldom the case that you’ll use very much in a recipe. Gluten flour in small amounts is added to other whole grain flours, with some recipes calling for about a cup of it at most for a loaf of bread. It has become popular in low-carb foods because the removal of starch means only about 6 grams of carbohydrates remain in a quarter of a cup.

Another type of gluten flour is regular white or wheat flour with additional gluten added. This may be called bread machine or high gluten flour. The amounts of the wheat protein differ from brand to brand, but usually this type of flour contains about 12% protein. You can contrast this to the pure form, which is about 75% pure protein.

Many love using bread machine flour because it tends to result in much lighter and fluffier bread. Yet it’s not best if you’re trying to keep carbohydrates low. Though carbohydrate content is lower than in standard white flour, high gluten flour still holds about 54 grams of carbs per cup, as opposed to 24 grams of carbs per cup of pure gluten.



Given the results I encountered, I am not convinced that these two flours are one in the same.

I ended up finding a bit of VWG in the cupboard so I was able to salvage the rolls, but they turned out very dense (probably because I used the GF first and then added VWG)...

What say you PPK, are they one in the same?

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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I've found that some Gluten flours are 80% not 100% pure gluten though it doesn't always say that on the package / bulk bin.

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I've found that some Gluten flours are 80% not 100% pure gluten though it doesn't always say that on the package / bulk bin.

Mine was 80%. If I understand correctly, the 100% would yield the same result as using Vital Wheat Gluten?

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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Where did you buy the gluten flour? I noticed that in Victoria (and in much of BC) VWG is often called just gluten or "high gluten" flour. They've always worked the same for me.

I used to buy "high gluten" flour in bulk at Save On, "gluten flour" at Dan-D-Pack in Vancouver, and gluten flour packaged from my local HFS on Salt Spring, and they've all worked the same for me. I've also used the Arrowhead Mills and Bob's Red Mill VWG interchangeably.

The most reliable stuff (in your city) is probably the Bob's Red Mill stuff available at Planet Organic, Market On Yates, Lifestyle Markets, or if you're lucky, for really, really, cheap at the Pharmasave on Fort and Richmond.


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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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vijita wrote:
Where did you buy the gluten flour? I noticed that in Victoria (and in much of BC) VWG is often called just gluten or "high gluten" flour. They've always worked the same for me.

I used to buy "high gluten" flour in bulk at Save On, "gluten flour" at Dan-D-Pack in Vancouver, and gluten flour packaged from my local HFS on Salt Spring, and they've all worked the same for me. I've also used the Arrowhead Mills and Bob's Red Mill VWG interchangeably.

The most reliable stuff (in your city) is probably the Bob's Red Mill stuff available at Planet Organic, Market On Yates, Lifestyle Markets, or if you're lucky, for really, really, cheap at the Pharmasave on Fort and Richmond.


I found the Gluten Flour @ the Jubilee Pharmasave...not sure where I got the Vital Wheat Gluten, possibly Lifestyles Market?

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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That sucks that it didn't work. I'm not sure what brand yours is, but I used to always make seitan with gluten from the Jubilee Pharmasave.


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vijita wrote:
That sucks that it didn't work. I'm not sure what brand yours is, but I used to always make seitan with gluten from the Jubilee Pharmasave.

It was Everland. I'm wondering if because it wasn't 100% (they only had 80%), if that's why it didn't work...From now on I will just stick to buying the Bob's Red Mill kind, which I was surprised to find they didn't have at the Pharmasave.

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Hmm. Weird! I always use the gluten flour from Bulk Barn with great success. Maybe what you bought was "off" somehow?

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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Maybe what you bought was "off" somehow?

I wondered that also.

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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Momo wrote:
QueenV wrote:
I've found that some Gluten flours are 80% not 100% pure gluten though it doesn't always say that on the package / bulk bin.

Mine was 80%. If I understand correctly, the 100% would yield the same result as using Vital Wheat Gluten?


Yep, thats how I've always worked it.

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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I've had so many different things labelled so many different things, and have only had a problem a couple of times. Bryanna Clark Grogan gives some info in her new book on what protein-age to look for on the nutritional information panel etc.. I'm sure I was using only "gluten flour" from a chinese grocery store for ages to make awesome seitan, and didn't have a problem until I used a baked technique. I know that the vital wheat gluten from the health food stores are so expensive - but i know that they always work, too!


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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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Yeah this is a tricky one...

Here in Australia we don't have a product called Vital Wheat Gluten at all, it's just called gluten flour, as opposed to high-gluten flour, which is usually called bread flour or baker's flour & is around 11-12.5% protein compared to regular plain flour, which is about 9-10% protein.

The gluten flour here is usually Lotus brand, which has some crazily high protein level around 52% I think. What percentage is VWG?

I used to use Lotus gluten flour to make seitan without any trouble at all, but they changed it from locally grown to a Chinese import, & I prefer to buy local where I can, so now I buy an Australian organic gluten flour in bulk from a local shop (it's cheaper too).

I don't know if it's identical to VWG, but it's greyish-taupe in colour with that really fine silky texture, & I've made baked, steamed & poached seitan with it, each batch working out fine (steaming is my favourite method).

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I bought gluten flour out of local health store bulk bin, tried to make seitan with it, and failed miserably. I haven't bought anything but Bob's Red Mill since. I'm sure some bulk versions work okay, but I don't feel like testing them all.

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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Hmmm, Kareena.. In Oz here, there is another brand of gluten flour available at some health food stores, and in the ingredients it says "vital wheat gluten". So many variations!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:19 pm 
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This is interesting...I've never seen gluten flour. I always get the vital wheat gluten. I wonder if this is why so many people have trouble making seitan? Using vital wheat gluten, it seems pretty fool proof.


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Hmmm, Kareena.. In Oz here, there is another brand of gluten flour available at some health food stores, and in the ingredients it says "vital wheat gluten". So many variations!


Oh hi! Didn't realise you were in Aus too! :)

Do you remember which brand that was? When I asked in my local health food shop about other brands (because I didn't want the Chinese imported Lotus brand) they said Lotus was the only one available here. But then I found the cheaper Aus-grown organic one in bulk, which I'm totally happy with because it makes great seitan.

That's interesting to know that there are other options out there!

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 Post subject: Re: Vital Wheat Gluten & Gluten Flour
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Millstream Foods also has a packaged VWG that you can get at some grocery stores here. The Fairway on Quadra sometimes has it.

I've also found it bulk at Lifestyles and Planet Organic.

I've seen these "high-gluten flour" things around at some of the less crunchy stores like Save-On and Pharma and always assumed they were just heavy bread flour. Maybe they're the real thing after all, but I don't really want to chance $10 finding out.

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Karena,

Hi! I can't remember.. I want to say.. Solaya... Soraya?? I can't find it on the net.. Green bag, from Healthy Life, I think. Will check at home.

And Sir Brancis (ha!), I've had high gluten flour that was actually vital wheat gluten, and I've had high gluten flour that was just.. high gluten flour. But yes, it's a big investment if it fails! And I certainly don't need high gluten flour for baking, ever.


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Karena,

Hi! I can't remember.. I want to say.. Solaya... Soraya?? I can't find it on the net.. Green bag, from Healthy Life, I think. Will check at home.


It's Soland. I've used that one, the Lotus one and a no-name one from a local place and have never noticed a difference between them.

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