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 Post subject: "umami" sounds pretentious to me.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:08 pm 
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does anyone else feel the same way?

i've been calling it savory my whole life, why did they need to bring in a brand new word to say the same thing?

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 Post subject: Re: "umami" sounds pretentious to me.
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probably because the scientist who discovered that glutamate yields a savory flavor was Japanese. and this was back in 1908, so i guess it just took anglophones a while to catch on.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:40 pm 
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I was under the impression that unami was "more than" savory somehow... like the 4th dimension or something...


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ive never been quite sure what exactly what it means

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 Post subject: Re: "umami" sounds pretentious to me.
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i too am down with umami. to me "savory" can apply to a broader range of non-sweet flavors.


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ive never been quite sure what exactly what it means

think of the almost meaty type of flavor that tomato paste, nutritional yeast, mushrooms, and soy sauce have in common.

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It describes something other than savoury to me. It's...hmm...I don't know, the only word I can think of describe what I mean is umami!

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it's possible the reason i feel this way is because the first person i encountered using the word was totally pretentious. (i thought she created the damn word, and rolled my eyes every time she'd say it... and then more people started saying it.)

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It describes something other than savoury to me. It's...hmm...I don't know, the only word I can think of describe what I mean is umami!
Exactly; it's that certain je ne sais quoi that you can't quite put your finger on...like Marmite!

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It describes something other than savoury to me. It's...hmm...I don't know, the only word I can think of describe what I mean is umami!
Exactly; it's that certain je ne sais quoi that you can't quite put your finger on...like Marmite!

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I'm down with umami.


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perhaps it makes me think of a nipple that smells like it has a fungal/yeast infection.

"ewwwww mammi!!!!!"

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perhaps it makes me think of a nipple that smells like it has a fungal/yeast infection.

"ewwwww mammi!!!!!"


I will never look at the word in the same way.

I used to think it was pretentious until I ran across it in a perception class. At that point, I figured if science said it existed then it must be true. Also, it gave explanation to my disgusting habits of eating teeny amounts of pure better than bouillon base or (not so teeny amounts of) straight nooch. Both are like happy explosions on my tongue that go far beyond savory.


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Some people say "unctuous" but that sounds yucky.

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Some people say "unctuous" but that sounds yucky.

I'm not convinced that that is a word.


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Some people say "unctuous" but that sounds yucky.

Ugh, that word makes my skin crawl. My mom says that word.

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Some people say "unctuous" but that sounds yucky.

Ugh, that word makes my skin crawl. My mom says that word.

it is an icky word, especially when foodies use it and pronounce it "uhnk-shuss". plus to me it refers more to oiliness than savoriness.

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i though unctious meant sticky, like making your mouth stick together like pb or tahini ?


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Some people say "unctuous" but that sounds yucky.

Ugh, that word makes my skin crawl. My mom says that word.

it is an icky word, especially when foodies use it and pronounce it "uhnk-shuss". plus to me it refers more to oiliness than savoriness.

wait, people actually use it to refer to savoriness? i thought isa was joshing! (the 3rd definition here refers to people being smug. i thought she was offering a subsitution to pretentious, not umami!)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unctuous

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i always considered savory to just mean salty. umami i didn't discover til later, and like bekki i played with it (eating ajinomoto straight, ummai!) and also never heard the word til i already spoke japanese, so it didn't sound weird to me.

what i don't like is when people get smug about it and pronounce it wrong in their smugness (unctuousness?)

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Some people say "unctuous" but that sounds yucky.
Eeeeww, really? I've only heard it used in reference to a person's (oily, ingratiating, insinuating) manner; it would never occur to me to apply it to food. That is yucky!

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i always thought savory was a flavor (my memory was never very good, so i never memorized the "accepted" flavors. i learn by figuring things out, so i just always assumed "savory" was one of them. [it also helps that it's yet another "S" word.])

savory to me is definitely very different from salty. it might also be because it sounds like salisbury. dude, i used to LOOOOOVE salisbury steak. that is my ideal pinpoint of savory. it gets your Saliva going, too. SSSSSSSS.

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EmperorTomatoKetchup wrote:
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Ugh, that word makes my skin crawl. My mom says that word.

it is an icky word, especially when foodies use it and pronounce it "uhnk-shuss". plus to me it refers more to oiliness than savoriness.

wait, people actually use it to refer to savoriness? i thought isa was joshing! (the 3rd definition here refers to people being smug. i thought she was offering a subsitution to pretentious, not umami!)
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unctuous

yeah, i've heard contestants and/or judges on Top Chef use it to describe food, and not necessarily in a bad way.

some examples from the food blog world:
http://www.thekitchn.com/what-do-you-kn ... tte-164633
http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/content/know ... y/avocado/
http://chicago.seriouseats.com/2012/04/ ... mi-co.html (caution: meaty content)

there are even blog posts about it being an overused word when talking about food. http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/2011/0 ... re_not.php

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well, avocado makes complete sense, since it's greasy, and some could say similar to modeling clay. that's pretty much 2 definitions down right there. (and if we put some mrs potato-head faces on it, we could even say it's got the 3rd definition as well.)

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Yeah, you know me!


I am really offended that no one found this funny. *flounce*

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