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 Post subject: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & challah
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:16 pm 
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hi. i have 2 recipes that i would like help veganizing. specifically what to replace the eggs with. in both cases, i would prefer not to use ground flax seed mixed with water.

recipe #1 - mini challah
ingredients: 1-1/4 tsp active dry yeast, 1/4 cup warm water, 2 TBS veg oil, 4 tsp sugar, 3/4 tsp salt, [1 egg], 1-1/2 to 1-2/3 cup all-purpose flour

for the mini challah, not sure what to replace the egg with. extra veg oil? if so how much? or something else entirely? i assume the egg is for flavor, color, and maybe some structure.

recipe #2 - corn cakes
ingredients: 1/2 cup all-purpose flour, 1/2 cup cornmeal, 1 TBS sugar, 2 tsp baking powder, 1/2 tsp baking soda, 1/2 tsp salt, [1 egg], 1/4 milk (I know I can use non-dairy), 2 TBS cooking oil

for the corn cakes, i'm not sure what to replace the egg with. extra veg oil? water?? if so how much? i also have unsweetened applesauce and vanilla soy yogurt on hand....

thanks so much in advance for any help!

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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:31 pm 
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For corn cakes, I'd try to google for recipes, this one uses apple sauce, a valid sub for egg in certain recipes:
http://www.girlmakesfood.com/corn-cakes-corn-pancakes/

And there are a lot of vegan challah recipes out there, this one specifically talks about replacing the egg:
http://www.vegkitchen.com/recipes/speci ... e-challah/

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:34 pm 
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Vegan with a Vengeance has a really good recipe for corn fritters that sounds like what you are looking for. It uses 6 oz of silken tofu as a binder. It is so yummy.

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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
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I've done a lot of experimenting with veganizing challah. I'll get around to my blog post eventually. But silken tofu is necessary. Soy yogurt is often recommended but doesn't work as well. Banana makes your bread taste like banana. A bit of extra oil is nice, as is a bit of that Vegg or some nutritional yeast. But any combination I tried without silken tofu wasn't really like challah. My favorite was the one with all the egg replacers (tofu, extra oil, Vegg, and flax).

Short answer, replace the egg with 1/4 cup silken tofu.

Gratuitous round challah shot
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:27 pm 
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I concur that you need silken tofu in your challah. You need a protein source different from the wheat to give it the right texture (so says susietofu, but I definitely agree). I'd also add more oil and more sugar - the sugar because I find tofu sort of sucks up the sweetness and your challah winds up less sweet than it would've been with egg. But then again, I like a sweet challah. I've tried adding things like lecithin as well and found it didn't improve things at all. I haven't tried it with the Vegg, but that might make sense. You can also do a pinch of turmeric if you really need your challah to be yellowish.

For a change of pace, google "water challah recipe" to get another traditional method of making challah that doesn't require eggs from the get-go. The result is drier and obviously, less eggy, but I really have grown to like it. These days, most of my challah consumption needs are taken care of by water challah bought at the bakery. But on holidays I make a tofu-y challah that my family likes better than bakery-bought egg challah.

mollyjade, that is some sweet braiding! It looks like you use a different round challah technique than I do. Mine is like a basket-weave and then I gather the loose ends in the middle and flip it over.


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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:30 pm 
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Ariann wrote:
mollyjade, that is some sweet braiding! It looks like you use a different round challah technique than I do. Mine is like a basket-weave and then I gather the loose ends in the middle and flip it over.

It's probably just inexpertly done! This is the tutorial I followed.

http://www.creativejewishmom.com/2011/0 ... shana.html


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Yup! That's my technique. But yours definitely looks different! I like it, though. Challot should be unique to the individual baker.


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thanks y'all! i think with the corn cakes (they are really pancakes) i'm going to use unsweetened applesauce.

and will definitely pick up some mori-nu silken tofu soon..... does it matter which type i buy for replacing eggs, soft? firm? extra firm?

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I generally use firm as an egg replacer, soft for smoothies and stuff.


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thank you!

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i used 1/4 applesauce for the 1 egg in my corncake (pancake) recipe and it was a fail :( it seemed okay in the bowl but once it got in the pan it was too "wet" really to flip, a mess. perhaps different brands of applesauce have varying water content??

however all was not lost, i ditched the batter, and just whipped up a quick batch of isa's puffy pillow panckes from the blog, saved the day. i ♥ those pancakes. i'll probably just tinker with the PPK recipe if i want a more johnnycake kind of pancake and sub some cornmeal and go from there........

i'm still down for veganizing that challah recipe i posted above.... will let y'all know how things go once i make it.....

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Definitely use silken tofu for the egg in the challah!

How about trying the corn cakes with a flax egg? I think that would work better since the egg is for binding, not moisture. You have to align the egg replacer with the job the egg is doing in the recipe. For moisture use applesauce, banana, extra liquid, or tofu. For leavening use ener-g egg replacer or more baking powder. For binding use a flax or chia egg, mashed moist starchy stuff (like beans), or grated raw potato. For enriching bread (like in challah), use silken tofu plus oil and sometimes plus sugar. For quiche or scrambled eggs, use tofu (with various flavor enhancements). If you want something to taste like egg in a savory way, add black salt for the sulphur flavor. Chickpea flour batter is also good for quiche and omelettes.


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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
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If you want to avoid flax because of the strong nutty flavour, you can make a much more neutral-tasting flax egg by simmering whole flax seeds for a while then squishing the gel through a strainer. The gel doesn't taste like much without the solids, but it's an amazing binder. Might be good for a corn cakes.

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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:06 pm 
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thanks, will definitely use ground flax seed (1 TBS + 3 TBS water?) next time.

(not trying to avoid the taste, i sprinkle ground flax seed on my oatmeal all the time :)

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here's our corn cake recipe: http://veganmenu.blogspot.com/2007/08/f ... sauce.html

and a picture w/ Okra & Tomato Stew

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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
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i'm using the term 'corn cakes' loosely, i am referring to johnny cakes, aka pancakes made with some cornmeal in addition to the flour. i mentioned that in a comment above but not in my original post, i should have done that.

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ah, my apologies -- more like this then

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we fall more on the hoecake side of the johnnycakes (no flour, just cornmeal) but regardless, the key is hydration, let 'em sit before cooking them off in the cast-iron

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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
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mmmmm....... the lacy edges are divine!

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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
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Did you see this Johnny Cake recipe? http://www.theppk.com/2011/05/fresh-corn-johnnycakes/

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 Post subject: Re: would like help veganizing 2 recipes - corn cakes & chal
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thanks, not exaclty what i'm looking for (i don't put corn in our johnnycakes) but maybe i can just leave it out?

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i'm sure you could just leave out the corn and then you might need a little extra milk, but see what the consistency of the batter is like.

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