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 Post subject: Does anyone have insanely flat feet and resulting issues?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:04 pm 
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I have the flattest feet my podiatrist and a few chiropractors have said they've ever seen. It's not good. It messed up my whole skeletal structure, and I have hip and spine issues bc of it. I got orthotics made, but I can't wear them all the time (with work shoes) and my feet hurt all the time even with them. Also, I have bunions as a result of the flat feet, and they suck. So since yesterday, one of my big toes and the bunion area has been KILLING me. I don't know what changed, what happened, but omg I can barely walk on it. It sucks! Does anyone have something resembling my problems? Also, I really just want to be barefoot and get the Vibrams, but I'm scared what that'll do to me. Obviously I will talk to the doctors about that, but still, just want to hear from others who may have similar issues.

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I have flat feet, but no issues. Perhaps because I rarely wear any shoes other than converse, and they have no arches in them. Most other shoes feel like I'm walking on a roll of coins.

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I have very flat feet and resulting back and knee issues because of it. I had orthotics made when I was in high school and still use them today. Yes, they take a while to get used to them and your feet will be really sore but they do help. Like you said, I can't wear them in dress shoes. I spent this summer wearing cute little ballet flat type shoes with no support at all. After a while my lower back was so bad it was spasming and going out all the time. I was about to go to the doctor when I thought about my shoes and tried just wearing my sneaker with the orthotics for two weeks before I called the doctor. My back significantly improved. Now I'm looking into flexible arch supports that I can fit into dress shoes so I don't have to wear sneakers everyday and I don't have to compromise my back.


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if you dont buy work shoes that accommodate your orthotics, you could end up with some pretty big problems. your post sounds like the story of my grandma, aunt, and mamma. they have all had surgeries and major major problems. wear keds if you have to! seriously, I never want to end up using a knee scooter, so while my flat feet stuff is only mild right now, I intend on doing everything I can to avoid my fate.


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 Post subject: Re: Does anyone have insanely flat feet and resulting issues
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I have flat feet, but no issues. Perhaps because I rarely wear any shoes other than converse, and they have no arches in them. Most other shoes feel like I'm walking on a roll of coins.


Strange...you should be wearing shoes with good arch support, if you have no arches of your own. Having no arches means you roll you feet slightly inward and your knees (and back) follow. You might be lucky that you have no back/knee issues, but it doesn't make sense that you'd want to wear shoes without any support.

I had orthotics as a kid--when I got to middle school, I got tired of them (and of having to wear high-top athletic shoes because, at the time, orthotics were still made of hard plastic). I just wore shoes with good arch support after that--mostly birkenstocks and semi-orthopedic shoes that only enhanced my dorkery. Luckily, good shoes have come a long way in terms of looks (and veganness).

I know good shoes are expensive but they're worth it if it means you have less back/knee pain. I have the most luck with Earth shoes (my back had never felt so good--but they run narrow). Sure, I spend about $100 on a pair of shoes but I buy no more than two pair a year...and that's not much more money than I'd spend on multiple bottles of ibuprofen (and it's less money than I'd spend on a chiropractor). Keens are decent; Montrail, Merrell, New Balance, and Sanita all make vegan shoes for flat-footers.

If my insurance covered them, I'd definitely get orthotics.

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 Post subject: Re: Does anyone have insanely flat feet and resulting issues
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If you're required to wear dress shoes to work: http://www.zappos.com/earth-solar-vegan ... solestream.

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 Post subject: Re: Does anyone have insanely flat feet and resulting issues
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My feet are extremely flat. I was born with them that way. Completely and utterly flat. I cannot wear any shoes without eventual ankle pain or some other sort of foot pain. Orthotics helped a bit, but they were not perfect. Then I got my Vibram KSOs. They are beautiful! I can walk forever in them. I did a 3 mile hike along the river today, in fact, and for the first time ever, my butt muscles started hurting before my feet did.* I have zero issues in the Vibram five finger shoes. In fact, since they exercise your feet, there are stories of flat-footed people actually developing arches. Regular shoes don't let the muscles of the feet get any exercise.

When I was thinking of getting Vibrams, I specifically looked for reviews of them from people with flat feet. Here's a link to a forum dedicated to Vibram and other minimalist footwear for you to look around in. The link is to a search of the forums for "flat feet". I do totally recommend the Vibrams. They're amazing!

http://birthdayshoes.com/forum/search2/

*eta: my feet actually never did start hurting. They rarely do in the Vibrams, and when they do, it's the ache of exercised muscles and not the agony other shoes cause for me.


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I also found that Dansko has a line called VeganPro

http://www.dansko.com/Womens/Footwear/C ... 20Tapestry


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tinglepants! wrote:
hoveringdog wrote:
I have flat feet, but no issues. Perhaps because I rarely wear any shoes other than converse, and they have no arches in them. Most other shoes feel like I'm walking on a roll of coins.


Strange...you should be wearing shoes with good arch support, if you have no arches of your own. Having no arches means you roll you feet slightly inward and your knees (and back) follow. You might be lucky that you have no back/knee issues, but it doesn't make sense that you'd want to wear shoes without any support.


I know, that's what everyone tells me. According to Wikipedia, I have "flexible flat feet" which are usually asymptomatic and "may be considered a normal human variant." So whatever that's worth. The only time they bother me is when I wear shoes with a pronounced arch in them.

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 Post subject: Re: Does anyone have insanely flat feet and resulting issues
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I have flat feet and have knee problems (from pronating) if I overtrain. I was in 6 weeks of physical therapy last year and now do exercises that strengthen muscles in my legs and build up my arches. It's the only things that works. Regarding the shoes thing - my physical therapist said i should wear shoes with some support so that i don't over-pronate but not too much support so that the muscles in my arches build up.


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thanks everyone! I'm going to wear my sneakers with the orthotics all week as much as I can and talk to my doctor about Vibrams. I really want them. Ha. I mostly just want the pain to go away! I have an appointment with a consignment shop to try to sell clothes I never wore (and now don't fit) so I also want to try to get rid of some shoes that aren't good for me.

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If you're required to wear dress shoes to work: http://www.zappos.com/earth-solar-vegan ... solestream.

Oh my gosh, they fit orthotics? Perfect.
I'm another one in the 'my feet are forked and now so are my calves, hamstrings and pelvis' camp. I need to look after myself more. I usually only wear orthotics to run but I recently lost a shoe (yeah, just one shoe) with an orthotic so I need to replace them.

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tinglepants! wrote:
If you're required to wear dress shoes to work: http://www.zappos.com/earth-solar-vegan ... solestream.

Oh my gosh, they fit orthotics? Perfect.
I'm another one in the 'my feet are forked and now so are my calves, hamstrings and pelvis' camp. I need to look after myself more. I usually only wear orthotics to run but I recently lost a shoe (yeah, just one shoe) with an orthotic so I need to replace them.


Whenever I see one shoe on the street - which is quite often actually - I always say to myself "Who loses one shoe!?" I love it.

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I've heard that the best way to strengthen your arches is to run barefoot.


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Can we merge feet or something to attain some kind of middle ground? I have stupidly high arches apparently and am in so much limpy pain at the moment!

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hoveringdog wrote:
tinglepants! wrote:
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I have flat feet, but no issues. Perhaps because I rarely wear any shoes other than converse, and they have no arches in them. Most other shoes feel like I'm walking on a roll of coins.


Strange...you should be wearing shoes with good arch support, if you have no arches of your own. Having no arches means you roll you feet slightly inward and your knees (and back) follow. You might be lucky that you have no back/knee issues, but it doesn't make sense that you'd want to wear shoes without any support.


I know, that's what everyone tells me. According to Wikipedia, I have "flexible flat feet" which are usually asymptomatic and "may be considered a normal human variant." So whatever that's worth. The only time they bother me is when I wear shoes with a pronounced arch in them.


Hmmm...you'd probably do well with Vibrams, then (though something tells me they're not your style). I have a freak feet that are not flexible--I actually have extra bone where my arch should be, and so even if I use my muscles to hold my feet up, it doesn't do much good.


I think this is why I like Earth shoes so much--they have really solid arch support, but they also force your back into a neutral position. Most shoes with good arch support (like Danskos) have a heel on them, which is really good for ankle support but not so good for the lower back. Seriously, if Earth ever stops making vegan shoes, I'll probably lock myself in my room for a week and peas the bed while I cry.


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Oh my gosh, they fit orthotics? Perfect.


No, they don't fit orthotics...but the arch support in them is akin to wearing orthotics. Plus, they let you spread your toes out.

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Oh, hai! I like to wear carpets on my feet!
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I also found that Dansko has a line called VeganPro

http://www.dansko.com/Womens/Footwear/C ... 20Tapestry


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Oh, hai! I like to wear carpets on my feet!
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I also found that Dansko has a line called VeganPro

http://www.dansko.com/Womens/Footwear/C ... 20Tapestry


HAHAHAHAHA peee.


Interrobang?! I would search high and low for some kind of witch to merge our feet, seriously. I love that idea.

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Oh, hai! I like to wear carpets on my feet!
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I also found that Dansko has a line called VeganPro

http://www.dansko.com/Womens/Footwear/C ... 20Tapestry


I know! I was pissed that their leather shoes come in professional brown and black colors but the hippy vegans must want tapestry colors!


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veglicious wrote:
Oh my gosh, they fit orthotics? Perfect.


No, they don't fit orthotics...but the arch support in them is akin to wearing orthotics. Plus, they let you spread your toes out.

Oh well, I think I will get them anyway, they look great for work.

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I have extremely have extremely high arches and combined with my hyper flexible (meaning chronically unstable) ankles- the result has been problems with my feet and ankles since I have learned to walk. I don’t have bunion issues but I do have a neuroma (due to faulty foot mechanics)- so I feel your pain (literally).

I can’t tell you how many doctors, chiropractors, physical therapists and foot specialists I have been to and how much I have spent on orthotics and various types of show inserts (most of which only seem to make things worse).

And shopping for shoes was hard enough before I went vegan- now it’s a major production and huge exercise in frustration.

However I hadn’t heard that Dansko had a vegan line which I will seriously need to investigate. I just found some aerosols boots that are “100% man-made material” that actually aren’t completely ugly (although they were made in China).

From what I have read about the Vibrams- they might be good for your situation- but I would try to find a podiatrist who has had experience treating runners.

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I have one flat foot, and I have had a bunch of knee/back/hip issues from it, so I sympathize. I have no advice, but hugs for you and your poor feet.

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I'm completely the opposite, I have insanely arched feet. That's no fun either.

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I have one flat foot, and I have had a bunch of knee/back/hip issues from it, so I sympathize. I have no advice, but hugs for you and your poor feet.


Oh god one, that must make things so difficult.

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I have very flat feet. My doctor sent me to a podiatrist when I was a teenager. At my first appointment, the podiatrist said (jokingly), "Okay, let's have a look at those fallen arches!" and when I took my shoes off, he said "gosh, it's not even fallen arches. It's no arches!" The ligaments in my ankles are also very loose, so my ankles totally collapsed inwards...they gave me all sorts of braces and supports which, being a stupid teenager, I decided not to use. I was constantly tripping and falling and injuring myself with my big ol' flat feet and wobbly ankles. One day I injured my ankle very very badly. I started paying attention to how I walk and balance. I stopped wearing shoes at home and just did lots and lots of barefoot walking (and then running, hopping, twirling, whatever.) My ankles got stronger and I even developed a bit of an arch on both feet (a tiny arch...but it's there!). I know everyone can't just run around barefoot all the time, but if you do it as much as possible, it really helps! I can feel a HUGE difference between walking and shoes and no shoes...basically there's no way for me to have a natural gait in shoes.

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