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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:36 pm 
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Since the opposition to prop 37 wasn't just Big Food, but also nearly every major scientific organization in the country, I'm not surprised that it failed.


I voted against it because, although it's a good idea, this implementation was not good.

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So KY just passed an amendment that makes hunting and fishing a constitutionally protected right in the state.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:19 pm 
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maybe this topic shouldn't be in this thread, but i'm going to come out and say that when i voted, i didn't do very much research into who my votes were going to. i mean, i live in a red state, so i had the distinct feeling of my selections not counting (and if you check the election results, it really really didn't. i mean, i knew to not vote for DesJarlais for Senate (he won) and also to vote for Jim Lewis (lost), but there were two other votes on the ticket for whom i simply selected the democrat (they lost), but i have no idea who they were or what they intended to do. and honestly, i don't know that much about DesJarlais or what he's done or what he intends to do, aside from a recent story in the news about a possible medical malpractice/ affair from several years ago. is this normal? am i a terrible democratic citizen? (and if i am, please try to not lay it on too thick)


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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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Let's take a moment from everything to celebrate this:
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Yeah, well the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down... by voting against it. (Seriously, I'd be interested to see the male/female vote breakdown for those races.)

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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2016 potential Republican ticket, according to The Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/video/after-oba ... f-p,30284/

Ha!


That's awesome. My FB feed has been littered by family members who can apparently do nothing now but bisque and moan about the future of our country for the next four years. These same people didn't make a peep before the election but now that it's over they can't shut up.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:55 am 
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My family is fairly liberal so I have no Facebook ranting. I feel for you though.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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I don't have conservative family members either and I purge my feed. I defriended someone recently who posted that there was no more racism bc we have a black president. But I do have two local mom friend who think "teh gaze have to wait for their rights until the economy is fixed." I hide their posts.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:33 am 
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Well if anyone is feeling masochistic and wants a taste, I can post up the email I got from my mother-in-law (along with the ranty yet cathartic responses that I and two other people provided back). It's amazing how quickly I went from elation over the results to feeling stabby because of the ideologies of the people that I have to call "family".

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:07 am 
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monkeytoes wrote:
starrynight87 wrote:
Let's take a moment from everything to celebrate this:
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Yeah, well the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down... by voting against it. (Seriously, I'd be interested to see the male/female vote breakdown for those races.)

Well put! I'll be quoting you every chance I get.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:32 am 
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Well if anyone is feeling masochistic and wants a taste, I can post up the email I got from my mother-in-law (along with the ranty yet cathartic responses that I and two other people provided back). It's amazing how quickly I went from elation over the results to feeling stabby because of the ideologies of the people that I have to call "family".


I know about trying to keep the peace with inlaws but my inlaws are pretty cool, you can borrow them if you like. They are ex hippies who retained their liberalism. Sadly, they live in an area that was covered with Romney signs last time we visited.

My step-father though has a tendency to email out any and all emails he gets from other people. Most of them I delete and I haven't gotten any recently probably because he emailed one 6 months or so that made me angry. He said he didn't even read it but I emailed him back that it wasn't cool and told my mom about it.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:36 am 
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I'm with you, CC. I try to do as much research as I can but there's a point where I just go with newspaper endorsements. Sometimes I just skip voting for certain offices, which I feel bad about. I'm not keen on voting for someone just because s/he is a Democrat (we've got some great Republicans in local positions) but I've been known to do that too.

So, er, if you're a horrible citizen you have company. And anyway I think we still outrank the voluntary nonvoters, right?


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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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This is interesting. Apparently, they polled a bunch of Belgian politicians asking who they'd have voted for if they could vote in the US elections. Every single politician, left, right, Christian Democrats, Liberals (in the European "fically conservative" sense of the word), all said they'd have voted for Obama. The only exception, the only politician who said he'd have voted for Romney, was from the far-right, populist, anti-immigration, anti-Islamic, nationalist Vlaams Belang.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:50 am 
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I always find that point interesting, but I don't think it is productive given the anti-European stance of many Republicans. It is like telling a teenager that their parents don't approve of X. It becomes a selling point.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:19 pm 
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Certainly. But I don't necessarily think points like this are made to necessarily convince them. It's often claimed when discussing American politics in this area of the world (Belgium and the Netherlands) that if the Democrats were a European party, they'd slot nicely into the center right. It's baffling to folks here that the word "socialism" is flung around in reference to Obama or any of the Democratic party. The Republicans seem to want to paint the Democrats as extremist, but in this light, it's clear who's really the most extreme.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:52 pm 
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Certainly. But I don't necessarily think points like this are made to necessarily convince them. It's often claimed when discussing American politics in this area of the world (Belgium and the Netherlands) that if the Democrats were a European party, they'd slot nicely into the center right. It's baffling to folks here that the word "socialism" is flung around in reference to Obama or any of the Democratic party. The Republicans seem to want to paint the Democrats as extremist, but in this light, it's clear who's really the most extreme.


Yep. We actually have a Democratic party in France, and it is solidly center-right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic ... 8France%29


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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:53 pm 
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There was MASSIVE facebook drama yesterday. There is one person I know (a wife of my partner's coworker - yes I know her IRL) that asked on her status, who voted for Obama so that she could de-friend them. That was the worst that I saw on my page (I didn't reply to her. she eventually apologized on her page).

My partner is a musician, so he has like hundreds and hundreds of fans - basically people he does not know in the slightest. We have a lot of other friends that are musicians, so we see their pages too. People were getting into the most heated discussions on FACEBOOK. Defriending, threatening each other. "I found you on google maps, I am going to come to your house and beat you" kind of drama.

This is what happens when you get go-go dancers and dance crew b-boys trying to have a political discussions on Facebook.


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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:07 pm 
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This was my first election after getting married. Why does nobody warn you about how horrible elections will be if you have conservative/evangelical in-laws? I always knew accepting their friend requests would end terribly but I felt too awkward not to when I was first getting to know them.

I'm still stressed out from the drama. I made a concerted effort to stay positive and not attack anyone, but my husband's evangelical aunt used every opportunity she could to pick a fight, insult me for not being a Christian, and then when I got offended she told me that I was just too immature to be able to hear differing viewpoints. I will be civil at family things but I absolutely do not want a relationship with her any more, especially since the more she gets to know me the more she'll find to dislike (Buddhism and supporting gay rights are only the tip of the iceberg, lady!).

And CC, I also vote straight democratic and then do a little research to find the lesser of two evils in races between republicans and libertarians. And my research is pretty much exclusively the endorsements of the liberal newspapers. It's the local races and bond propositions that I actually do any of my own research on (and that is usually just the League of Women Voters guide).


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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:35 pm 
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I am so excited about how this election turned out, but there was a bit of a come down when people started posting smack talk on FB. I definitely had to hide and unfriend some folks.

I'm just glad my in-laws don't have FB accounts. We get along very well on most counts but politics, and my FIL insists on bringing it up even though we all (his wife, his sons, me) ask him not to. I know this holiday season is going to be littered with irritating commentary from him about the election results.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:41 pm 
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ive been VERY lucky with my fb feed this election and frankly im surprised.

i did hide/unfriend/whatever it's called a couple people who kept commenting stupid shiitake during the election.

i have other friends who i know are republican and anti-liberals but they dont post about it on fb much so i never hid them but i kind of braced myself for the next day after the election, especially since both the presidential election and the MA senate race went Dem but there was like not a peep from anyone.

one person who i really dont like but he's my husband's friend and we hang out in a general crowd of people posted something to the effect of "whether you are happy with the results of the election or not remember to be grateful we all live in a country where we have the opportunity to express our opinions and vote" or something along those lines.
i was kinda shocked.
i was expecting a lot of vitriol about "idiot MA liberals" like ive seen before!

even my very republican sister in law who usesfacebook to go on angry rants about many and various things and has been known to post about "stupid liberals" before (even though she married into a liberal family!) was quiet.

it was kinda eery!

i do know a couple of people dealing with a lot of fb fallout and angry people though. it sucks.

i know in previous elections i was really put off over people gloating (when republicans won) so i made sure not to really post anything directly about "yay my side one and you suck!"
i think i posted somehting about "looks like a lot of stations are calling Elizabeth Warren as the winner right now. woot woot"
and then once they announced Obama was reelected i just put *big huge sigh of relief*

i have kept "liking" a lot of funny (political related) pictures though so ive never gotten a clear picture on how that shows up on other peoples' feeds.
oh well. it's no secret to people who know me that i am a flaming liberal

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I am so excited about how this election turned out, but there was a bit of a come down when people started posting smack talk on FB. I definitely had to hide and unfriend some folks.

I'm just glad my in-laws don't have FB accounts. We get along very well on most counts but politics, and my FIL insists on bringing it up even though we all (his wife, his sons, me) ask him not to. I know this holiday season is going to be littered with irritating commentary from him about the election results.



i am sooooooo lucky that i married into a big liberal family. they honestly dont usually even talk about politics but if it comes up they definitely are liberal.
my own parents i think are more independent and probably have voted both ways.
my EXTENDED family however is SUPER republican. one of my uncle's wouldn't come to my June wedding cause he was too busy campaigning for someone in NH.
also my brother's wife is super republican and talks smack about "MA liberals" alot. she grew up in MA and then she and my brother and their two kids lived in AR for 8 years (my bro was in the air force) and they HATED IT there and complained constantly and finally moved back up here but now all she does is complain about MA. ummm....move to NH then, they have more republicans there (though NH voted Obama in this election!)

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I really don't want to know how some of my friends on FB stand politically. I do know everyone on my FB (I am not one of those 'collectors' just to get big numbers), and many of my friends are people I know from old jobs, or my travels, or are coworkers of my fiancé’s.

but with this election, and leading to it, I found out some rather disturbing things. Like, I don't CARE if you are conservative, super pro-life. It never comes up when we hang out. We don't discuss that stuff. but then I see that you "like" some picture that is extremely political, or make some polarizing comment about some issue, something I don't agree with and it actually offends me...well I really didn't want to know that.

I am very aware of what is on my FB. I make it a point NOT to like anything political or religious, since I know that everyone can see it. Facebook is (supposed to be) fun. I don't like seeing everyone’s personal views on hot topics and politics. I just want to see pictures of your baby, your cat, and an update on how you are doing, funny comments etc. To be honest, I use FB mostly for music and follow musicians and stuff.

I just try to ignore and not comment. But sometimes I just can't help it. People are so ignorant and ill-informed. Not STUPID necessarily, but not educated about the topic, and make comments that reflect this. I want to educate them, and it turns into a fight. Which is not good. You cannot have a decent, intelligent discussion on Facebook. Don't even get me started on people who politically battle on Twitter. 140 characters to make your argument. GO!


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My inlaws are on the more conservative side but Ontario conservatives are probably a lot more liberal than most American Republicans. My MIL just errs on the side of "they're all a$$holes"

I was expecting FB to make me very upset yesterday just in terms of my republican FB "friends" posting stupid stuff but I was pleasantly surprised and didn't end up having too much of a raging mental fit at anyone.

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My relatively wealthy, republican uncle posted on fb that now that he'll have to pay more taxes, he won't be able to give any money to charity, so Obama is actually hurting the less fortunate. Yup. (I'm not sure what charities he gives to anyway, since he thinks most poor people are just lazy!)


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My relatively wealthy, republican uncle posted on fb that now that he'll have to pay more taxes, he won't be able to give any money to charity, so Obama is actually hurting the less fortunate. Yup. (I'm not sure what charities he gives to anyway, since he thinks most poor people are just lazy!)



sounds like he studied hard at the school of trickle down economics!

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well I really didn't want to know that.

jesus, this was me today.
Just because you're angry about Romney losing, don't post about "the poor, poor souls in the northeast who got clobbered in Sandy and now are dying because of the second storm. If Obama hadn't cut FEMA they'd be alive, why did he cut FEMA? Poor FEMA..."
Give me a forking break. When it was poor Black people dying in Katrina, you didn't give a shiitake. But now it's a chance to show that not only did Obama engineer the storm, he did it to hurt people. People like my mom, who are actually getting shiitake from FEMA right now, so don't 'poor FEMA' me. ooooohh gnash gnash....... but it's my friend's mother, and an old lady, what am i going to do, get into a shouting match on FB??
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