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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:08 pm 
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I have no internet at home and I'm being told it may not be back for about two weeks! It's only been two days and I'm already getting crabby. I work from home, so this is extra unacceptable.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:11 pm 
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I have a random question. Is there a single word that encompasses all the people that live in the UK that is widely used?

Reason I was thinking about that because the shorthand for those that live in the "United states of America" is to call us American, focusing on the last word in our name. But we don't call those in the UK Kingdomers (as far as I know). I was just curious.
From my experience, and a bit of checking on Wikipedia, British is the term used to cover all the UK, generally speaking. Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, or on the island of Britain, but I would include Northern Irish people when I say British, because it's part of the UK. There are those who would disagree with its usage, though, sometimes quite emphatically. It's a bit of a tricky subject. Similarly, the term Irish can generally be used for people from either of the two nations that exist on the island of Ireland, from my experience.

If you know which of the four nations of the UK someone comes from, though, use that.

Calling an English, Welsh or Scottish person British is unlikely to offend, though they may inform you that they are English, Welsh or Scottish.


(Efcliz quoted me while I was editing this adding a bit)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:12 pm 
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I don't think there is. People use British but often incorrectly because of the Irish thing. There's a lot of amusement at the moment about how Andy Murray is Scottish when he loses and British when he wins, and it's true.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:13 pm 
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linanil wrote:
I have a random question. Is there a single word that encompasses all the people that live in the UK that is widely used?

Reason I was thinking about that because the shorthand for those that live in the "United states of America" is to call us American, focusing on the last word in our name. But we don't call those in the UK Kingdomers (as far as I know). I was just curious.
British is the term used to cover all the UK, generally speaking. Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, or on the island of Britain, but I include Northern Irish people when I say British. There are those who would disagree, though, sometimes quite emphatically. Similarly, the term Irish can be used for people from either of the two nations that exist on the island of Ireland.

If you know which of the four nations of the UK someone comes from, though, use that.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:17 pm 
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I have no internet at home and I'm being told it may not be back for about two weeks! It's only been two days and I'm already getting crabby. I work from home, so this is extra unacceptable.


That sucks so much, especially since it interferes with your ability to work. I am outraged on your behalf!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:17 pm 
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I don't think there is. People use British but often incorrectly because of the Irish thing. There's a lot of amusement at the moment about how Andy Murray is Scottish when he loses and British when he wins, and it's true.


I figured Ireland might be a different issue in terms of politics but I also figured that Scottish people weren't called British but again one reason I was wondering.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:18 pm 
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From my teensy/sheltered American brain, I've heard it as English is for people from England, British for people from the UK, but better to specify the country as there's a lot of history and politics.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:22 pm 
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re: linalil's UK question, I have the following youtube offerings




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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:27 pm 
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That is great Lutin, I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one confused. Also, I for some reason thought that Wales was in between England and Scotland.

Holland and Netherlands is also useful because I was confused by that as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:31 pm 
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I don't go anywhere near that topic. I've got yelled at for saying an irish movie was british once and since then I tried to figure it out, but I don't want to fork up and insult anyone so I just keep my mouth shut.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:34 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:46 pm 
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I don't go anywhere near that topic. I've got yelled at for saying an irish movie was british once and since then I tried to figure it out, but I don't want to fork up and insult anyone so I just keep my mouth shut.


In high school, they tried to teach us that Ireland is part of the British Isles. Yeah, no.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:53 pm 
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I don't know if I've ever eaten coleslaw. When I was younger, I didn't like mayo or veg, so I don't think I would've ever intentionally eaten it. If I have eaten it, it was at least 20-25 years ago. But now I like (vegan) mayo and veg, so I'm gonna make some coleslaw this weekend. I hope I like it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:06 pm 
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This is my favourite bit of the C.G.P. Grey video, it kills me every time. Hilarious.:
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I don't know if I've ever eaten coleslaw. When I was younger, I didn't like mayo or veg, so I don't think I would've ever intentionally eaten it. If I have eaten it, it was at least 20-25 years ago. But now I like (vegan) mayo and veg, so I'm gonna make some coleslaw this weekend. I hope I like it.


I like cashew based coleslaw, like Cool Slaw from Appetite for Reduction.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:17 pm 
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linanil wrote:
I have a random question. Is there a single word that encompasses all the people that live in the UK that is widely used?

Reason I was thinking about that because the shorthand for those that live in the "United states of America" is to call us American, focusing on the last word in our name. But we don't call those in the UK Kingdomers (as far as I know). I was just curious.

Calling people from the United States American is actually really controversial in a lot of North and South America. To them, "American" refers to anyone from either continent, and it's part of U.S. arrogance that we've coopted the term.


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linanil wrote:
I have a random question. Is there a single word that encompasses all the people that live in the UK that is widely used?

Reason I was thinking about that because the shorthand for those that live in the "United states of America" is to call us American, focusing on the last word in our name. But we don't call those in the UK Kingdomers (as far as I know). I was just curious.

Calling people from the United States American is actually really controversial in a lot of North and South America. To them, "American" refers to anyone from either continent, and it's part of U.S. arrogance that we've coopted the term.


I know that there are people that don't like it and really think of it as referring to ourselves as the Americans as if we are the important ones in North America or the Americas in general. I just don't know what other short name for "United states of American" that you would have other than American. Which is actually what started me on this thinking.

So technically everyone who lives in North/South America is American but if you refer to someone in the US specifically, you refer to them as an American. And I've never heard of American being used in any other way other than saying something is North American or South American.

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Yeah, English doesn't really have a good alternative word. I work a lot with Latin American studies, and they're very conscientious about using "U.S. residents/citizens," but that's too awkward to ever catch on in everyday spoken language. National identity is complicated.


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Hope you guys all get well quickly, bodhi! We just went through this and I do not wish it on anyone.

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mollyjade wrote:
National identity is complicated.

Ha. Word.

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Yeah, English doesn't really have a good alternative word. I work a lot with Latin American studies, and they're very conscientious about using "U.S. residents/citizens," but that's too awkward to ever catch on in everyday spoken language. National identity is complicated.


That is interesting, my spanish is more of the spanglish variety but I only remember 'norte americano' used or saying you are from 'estados unidos' but I don't know if there is a good word in spanish for someone from USA.

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National identity is complicated.

Ha. Word.


Word and then some. A few people get really picky and refer to themselves by locality, such as Cumbrians.


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