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That doesn't fly very well in Ireland. It's pretty offensive actually, but the way Irish history is taught goes along with that anyway. Textbooks also rarely, if ever, ask why a country starved when it was only potatoes that failed. I'll have to ask my cousins what is in their textbooks today. Years ago when my uncle (he taught history for many years) saw my American books, he thought the geography/social studies was "rubbish."


I can verify that it would be incredibly offensive! Not once in my near 29years I have heard us referred to as part of the British Isles. Only time I've heard us being part of Britain is from someone from the USA or when an Irish person wins something at the Olympics.

Our breaking away from the UK only happened less than 100 years ago so everyone in our generation would have met someone who lived through those times and the horrendous conditions that went with it so we can get quite pissy when the topic comes up. My great-grandmother lived through it and some of her earliest memories were pretty hairy.

Violence part aside...... short story of the potato famine...... all the Catholics had to eat at the time was potatoes because all the land was being used to grow crops that were taken to UK. Then the potato blight came along and pretty much wiped out the only food source our country had. A book I read as a young child portrayed the hardship really well, Under the Hawthorn Tree. It is probably a bit young but well worth a read.

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lavawitch wrote:

That doesn't fly very well in Ireland. It's pretty offensive actually, but the way Irish history is taught goes along with that anyway. Textbooks also rarely, if ever, ask why a country starved when it was only potatoes that failed. I'll have to ask my cousins what is in their textbooks today. Years ago when my uncle (he taught history for many years) saw my American books, he thought the geography/social studies was "rubbish."


I can verify that it would be incredibly offensive! Not once in my near 29years I have heard us referred to as part of the British Isles. Only time I've heard us being part of Britain is from someone from the USA or when an Irish person wins something at the Olympics.

Our breaking away from the UK only happened less than 100 years ago so everyone in our generation would have met someone who lived through those times and the horrendous conditions that went with it so we can get quite pissy when the topic comes up. My great-grandmother lived through it and some of her earliest memories were pretty hairy.

Violence part aside...... short story of the potato famine...... all the Catholics had to eat at the time was potatoes because all the land was being used to grow crops that were taken to UK. Then the potato blight came along and pretty much wiped out the only food source our country had. A book I read as a young child portrayed the hardship really well, Under the Hawthorn Tree. It is probably a bit young but well worth a read.


And there were laws, punishable by death, and or burning out of your homes, against fishing. Food was shipped out of Ireland back to England under armed guard, while the Irish starved.

Irish voices are routinely still silenced. Nobody wants to hear it. Political correctness rarely, if ever, extends to us. Even groups like Amnesty International kept very, very silent.

Case in point, Irish people complained about the Ben & Jerry's flavor Black and Tan. The response was to stop selling it in Ireland only. No rename anywhere else, nothing. Would a company do that to many other groups? Can you imagine celebrating an Iraqi national holiday with suicide bomb cupcakes? So why is it ok to do that for St. Patrick's day? If you object, you just don't have a sense of humor or you take things too seriously.

I think this issue is such a hot button for me partly because so many are so quick to claim Irishness, yet nobody actually knows or understands much of the very complex, very tragic history. But, there is also a lot of beauty, brilliance, and resiliency there.

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Well said LW. Got to love Irish pride <3

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daisychain wrote:
Well said LW. Got to love Irish pride <3


Definitely. I mean, I'm not huge on rah rah displays of nationalism or anything, but it's really hard to separate out people from history in Ireland because it still permeates everything.

Another thing to point out is that many Irish have all sorts of reasons to dislike or,distrust the British, but usually don't just because the culture has always tended towards openness and forgiveness. Hell, every single one of my uncles married British women. Even my gram, who lived through so much, only gets worked up if one is unwise enough to mention the pope and/or treatment of women in Ireland (mostly due to the Catholic Church).

At any rate, my ties are strong because that's where my real (other than my parents, of course) family is, so my Irish passport is a tangible symbol of that to me.

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So many things!

Not to sound too ignorant, but what's a Nat?

Not ignorant at all, my sweet! The whole 'British' thing is...complicated. I, for one, do not consider myself British. To me that word is associated with a whole lot of negative feeling. A significant (tho minority) amount of Scottish people do not consider themselves British. A greater amount consider themselves Scottish first, British second.
Nat=Nationalist. But that too has complications! For example, the Scottish National Party are the primary party in Scotland and are in overall government just now. Their primary goal is independence and there will be a vote on that next year. Who knows what will happen with that though. I have never voted for them btw, though I agree with much of their policies. Scotland tends to the left, politically, because awesome.

Nat can also refer to Welsh Nationalists or the British National Party, I guess. The former are kinda vaguely similar to Scottish Nationalists (they're called Plaid Cymru), the latter are racist mustard loons and we pretty much universally hate them.

Further, when I say 'Nat' i don't even mean it politically, in terms of parties, overall. It's just... there are many people here who would be pissed to be referred to as 'British'. They just don't identify that way.

Personally, if someone from "the abroad" asked me if I were British I wouldn't be offended. But I'd find it unlikely that they would. People tend to 'get' a Scottish accent. Mostly because they can't understand what the fork we're saying ;)

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Thanks Gulliver and Interrobang?! I don't feel so bad for being confused now , bang?! I was picturing it more like your description of the British National Party i think. Sometime I need to actually read up on the history of it. Even though I'm one of those people that's great great grandparents emigrated and never been, I feel like there's a lot that I identify with in the spirit. You see a lot of similarities in the Appalachian folk in general I think. You know, other than just talkin' funny.

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I was in Walmart today to pick up some liquid anti-bacterial hand soap and they no longer have it labeled as "anti-bacterial" soap. It did say something on the bottle about killing germs. But the foaming soap did have the word anti-bacterial on it. Wonder if some FDA or whoever made them remove the words on the liquid stuff? Boring news, but if you're as paranoid as I am about getting the stomach flu that's going around, I want to see those words on the bottle. I got the foaming soap just for that very reason.


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daisychain wrote:
lavawitch wrote:

That doesn't fly very well in Ireland. It's pretty offensive actually, but the way Irish history is taught goes along with that anyway. Textbooks also rarely, if ever, ask why a country starved when it was only potatoes that failed. I'll have to ask my cousins what is in their textbooks today. Years ago when my uncle (he taught history for many years) saw my American books, he thought the geography/social studies was "rubbish."


I can verify that it would be incredibly offensive! Not once in my near 29years I have heard us referred to as part of the British Isles. Only time I've heard us being part of Britain is from someone from the USA or when an Irish person wins something at the Olympics.

Our breaking away from the UK only happened less than 100 years ago so everyone in our generation would have met someone who lived through those times and the horrendous conditions that went with it so we can get quite pissy when the topic comes up. My great-grandmother lived through it and some of her earliest memories were pretty hairy.

Violence part aside...... short story of the potato famine...... all the Catholics had to eat at the time was potatoes because all the land was being used to grow crops that were taken to UK. Then the potato blight came along and pretty much wiped out the only food source our country had. A book I read as a young child portrayed the hardship really well, Under the Hawthorn Tree. It is probably a bit young but well worth a read.


Hmm, do you know any grown up books about the potato faminine or the Irish-British relationship? My dad went to Ireland last year to visit his grandmother's old house, she fled to Canada during the Irish Civil War and he's been doing some online research, but I think that would be something he'd be interested in, but I don't think he'd go for a kid's book. (I need a belated Christmas gift, I had gotten him The Dispossessed and a thermos, but my brother also got him a thermos. Doh!)

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I have not read this, so I'm only passing along a recommendation, but Tim Pat Coogan is certainly reputable. I read his book on the IRA years ago, and it was (probably still is) one of the most even handed accounts, thorough around. Anyway, this one has been on my Amazon list, but I'm rarely in the mood to read depressing crepe these days.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Famine-Plot-E ... y_b_text_y

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Agree with shy mox--I'd love any recommendations especially on Irish and Scottish history. I might have to visit the google!

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My BFF came home from work about 45 mins ago but hasn't come inside, I can hear her chatting out on the patio with our neighbor. I've been sick, basically bedridden all day, so, feeling gloomy and this is making me jealous. Ugh I hate jealousy in myself. Whenever I feel down I usually find something to trigger my jealousy. Also super bummed by this cold because there is a dance party happening tonight that I've been really excited about for like two months. Ugh someone hold me.

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Since I've got this same cod crepe, I guess I can offer hugs without fear of contagion.

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I was in Walmart today to pick up some liquid anti-bacterial hand soap and they no longer have it labeled as "anti-bacterial" soap. It did say something on the bottle about killing germs. But the foaming soap did have the word anti-bacterial on it. Wonder if some FDA or whoever made them remove the words on the liquid stuff? Boring news, but if you're as paranoid as I am about getting the stomach flu that's going around, I want to see those words on the bottle. I got the foaming soap just for that very reason.


Most stomach flu is caused by viruses so anti-bacterial soap won't help any more than regular soap and water. Plus, overuse of anti-bacterial soap is thought to contribute to antibiotic resistance. That said, washing your hands frequently and well with regular soap and water is supposed to be one of the best things you can do to prevent any kind of flu.

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