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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:37 am 
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torque, do you mind pointing me toward your naan recipe?

http://holycowvegan.net/2009/11/grilled-naan.html

(it is okay, like eating a cross between a biscuit and a naan. it definitely needs more salt. my real favorite naan recipe is vegan richa's, i think, made with avocado instead of yogurt, but i didn't have the patience level for yeast naan yesterday.)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:49 am 
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I get so annoyed at "some" vegan cookbook authors. So the cookbooks should be 100% healthy, right? But when i ask why it includes alcoholic drinks it's because "some people want a treat". LOL. You go on and on and on about how one drop of oil will probably kill me, but drinking alcohol (which the last meta studies showed to be unhealthy in any amount) is fine. Like, I don't care if you get drunk on your spare time, but you do that while judging me for using a teaspoon of olive oil?


I don't buy cookbooks from people who make unsubstantiated health claims. I am, however, suspicious of the idea that any amount of alcohol is unhealthy.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:21 pm 
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This is what I was referring to: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/breast- ... h-is-safe/

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:28 pm 
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I am a) suspicious of claims that attempt to assign specific numbers or percentages of cases of disease to specific causes, because that is just poppycock and b) generally suspicious of Michael Greger. He does a lot of good work, but he also releases recommendations based on single studies as a matter of habit, I'm sure knowing full well that single studies are almost never significant on their own and it is the norm, rather than the exception, for conflicting evidence to come to light on nutrition/disease issues.

I also hate when I accidentally buy a cookbook that winds up making false nutritional claims (dear cookbook authors: you are not nutritionists or medical workers, stop pretending you are) or that demonizes particular foods. It's not always easy to tell on the surface that a book will do that, especially the ones that have tons of random text in addition to the recipes.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:34 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:26 pm 
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I am a) suspicious of claims that attempt to assign specific numbers or percentages of cases of disease to specific causes, because that is just poppycock and b) generally suspicious of Michael Greger. He does a lot of good work, but he also releases recommendations based on single studies as a matter of habit, I'm sure knowing full well that single studies are almost never significant on their own and it is the norm, rather than the exception, for conflicting evidence to come to light on nutrition/disease issues.


I just linked to it because he was referring to the meta study on alcohol. I'm kinda obsessed with studies on alcohol and other drugs but I can't link to most of them since they're not openly accessible.

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My mom is in the physical rehab place now. When she was there after her last surgery, the food was just as bad as the hospital (one meal was a blob of cottage cheese on a single iceberg lettuce leaf with some canned peaches). But this time the food is much better. Apparently after my mom's last stay, one of the dietary aids went to the dietician and said they needed to develop some healthy vegetarian meals and they actually did! Now they have things like homemade carrot ginger soup. So much nicer than the people at the hospital!


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Yay! That's the kind of place I work in and we are much more likely to work with preferences and special diets than the hospital because the people are there for so much longer.

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I am a) suspicious of claims that attempt to assign specific numbers or percentages of cases of disease to specific causes, because that is just poppycock and b) generally suspicious of Michael Greger. He does a lot of good work, but he also releases recommendations based on single studies as a matter of habit, I'm sure knowing full well that single studies are almost never significant on their own and it is the norm, rather than the exception, for conflicting evidence to come to light on nutrition/disease issues.

I also hate when I accidentally buy a cookbook that winds up making false nutritional claims (dear cookbook authors: you are not nutritionists or medical workers, stop pretending you are) or that demonizes particular foods. It's not always easy to tell on the surface that a book will do that, especially the ones that have tons of random text in addition to the recipes.

He speaks at the McDougall events which means the no oil position is to be expected. What I hate about sites like that is the overwhelming implication that cancer and other diseases are really your fault and if you only would shape up and eat right, you would never get sick. That's a horribly unethical way to view the world.

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Circular reasoning is circular.
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Any level of alcohol consumption appears to increase the risk of developing an alcohol-related cancer.

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I'm relearning the bassoon! I hope to someday soon play in a community orchestra. Yay!

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I'm relearning the bassoon! I hope to someday soon play in a community orchestra. Yay!


That's awesome! I played bassoon in middle school, but then we moved to a high school where we had to provide our own instruments and bassoon rental was out of the question,even with my part time job. I gave up music after that.

My favorite was when I got to do the solo in Tchaikovsky's Blue Lake.

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I'm relearning the bassoon! I hope to someday soon play in a community orchestra. Yay!


That's awesome! I played bassoon in middle school, but then we moved to a high school where we had to provide our own instruments and bassoon rental was out of the question,even with my part time job. I gave up music after that.

My favorite was when I got to do the solo in Tchaikovsky's Blue Lake.


Fun! I got to do this thing in high school where it was just four of us playing at the beginning and the end, http://youtu.be/piSieyTruog, and I just listened to it recently and really wanted to play again. I luckily own a bassoon and can do this.

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I'm relearning the bassoon! I hope to someday soon play in a community orchestra. Yay!


That's awesome! I played bassoon in middle school, but then we moved to a high school where we had to provide our own instruments and bassoon rental was out of the question,even with my part time job. I gave up music after that.

My favorite was when I got to do the solo in Tchaikovsky's Blue Lake.

Good for you lillianp! That is very cool!
Lavawitch, I didn't know you played bassoon! The world always needs more bassoonists. It's a shame you didn't get to continue. When I am queen every child will have access to music lessons.

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Circular reasoning is circular.
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Any level of alcohol consumption appears to increase the risk of developing an alcohol-related cancer.

That's not circular reasoning. The question wasn't whether alcohol increases the risk of alcohol-related cancer (as you said, duh) but at which amount it starts to.

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He speaks at the McDougall events which means the no oil position is to be expected. What I hate about sites like that is the overwhelming implication that cancer and other diseases are really your fault and if you only would shape up and eat right, you would never get sick. That's a horribly unethical way to view the world.

I never got that feeling from his site and I dislike McDougall with all my heart. I got hooked on the nutritionfacts site because Jack Norris recommended it. I'm also a bit surprised that McDougall would be okay with him talking, since he's so pro-nuts.
He does say no-oil or low-oil is healthier, but just saying that is hardly saying "it's your own fault if you're ill". If I show someone the studies of how eating unhealthy is unhealthy, if they ask me, that's not the same as telling them their disease is their fault. He sometimes jumps to conclusions too fast (like when there's one study down and he says "this shows" etc) and i find that annoying, but I really enjoy getting to see the studies.

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I'm relearning the bassoon! I hope to someday soon play in a community orchestra. Yay!


That's awesome! I played bassoon in middle school, but then we moved to a high school where we had to provide our own instruments and bassoon rental was out of the question,even with my part time job. I gave up music after that.

My favorite was when I got to do the solo in Tchaikovsky's Blue Lake.

Good for you lillianp! That is very cool!
Lavawitch, I didn't know you played bassoon! The world always needs more bassoonists. It's a shame you didn't get to continue. When I am queen every child will have access to music lessons.


Yes, the bassoon is clearly the king of all instruments! I don't listen to much classical music (as opposed to opera), but I do love bassoon concertos. They kind of make me sad though because I've always missed playing. I could have played something cheaper, but my heart wasn't in it. Before that, I played bass clarinet, another instrument too expensive to rent or buy. See a pattern? I think now though the school helps kids get instruments.

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