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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:50 am 
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I had a similar problem about 8 years ago. I used this book with good results.

Google on insomnia, there are many good sights online devoted to sleep

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:11 am 
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Thanks. I think part of the problem is heat. I'm extremely sensitive to heat (anything above 65f and I am miserable). It's been in the 90s where I live and I have no AC. I am seeing a doc today to try to do something, but I will check out the book because I go through random bouts of insomnia.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:43 am 
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I'm not sleeping without ambien until I finish school and get over this heartbreak, am I? Jeebus. Seriously, I don't think I've had more than a few good night's sleep without ambien in the last 2 and a half months. I thought some wine and melatonin would be enough. nope, guess not!

I am trying to decide whether 4 hours is enough time for a half ambien...

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:50 am 
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I have been a 'bad' sleeper since 'time out of mind'. My husband sleeps through the night without waking AND he does not wake when I do and turn on my bedside lamp to read.

The 'gift of wakefulness' need not be scorned ... we will just gloss over the fact that I nodded off for a brief minute at work yesterday. Have not done that in a very long time.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:34 pm 
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Yeah, I've always been a bad sleeper as well. The only time I think I slept well was the 1 year I wasn't in school or teaching, and I had a very physical job. I toss so much, I think I wake up a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:22 am 
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I'm trying not to become dependent on the sleep medication I got. It's supposed to be taken as needed, but I can't seem to get to sleep without it. My normal bedtime tea doesn't help and baths don't either.


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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:07 am 
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I take Natural Calm (magnesium citrate) before bed with some success- it's not perfect, but I sleep far better on average. The problem is, I can't afford it anymore. Has anyone found success with a cheaper alternative? Also a dose that is affective gives me the shiitakes, so I wonder if I'm depleting myself nutritionally by having diarrhea each and every morning.

Please don't suggest sleep hygiene, I'm an old pro at insomnia and still practice religiously all my sleep hygiene crepe (not that it often helps) .

eta I'm going to look for a cheap generic magnesium citrate tablet at the pharmacy today. I think there was a ghastly tasting tea that would work on occasion for me - I think by the same people who make throat coat, I'll look for that too.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:00 pm 
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I have been the worst sleeper for the past few years. I think a big part of it is dating guys who snore (bummer...) because I'm such a light sleeper. Also I have anxiety, so when I do wake up, I can't fall back asleep because my mind is making lists of things that I'm anxious about. Or just the snoring keeps me awake. I've tried earplugs, they don't work. And now I think I'm in some awful cycle, because even when I'm alone I wake up constantly and have a hard time falling back asleep. Melatonin will get me to sleep, but nothing keeps me there.

Add in the night sweats I've been getting for the past couple of years... I miss sleep.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:39 am 
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Hello again insomnia. The last time we met like this was about a year ago when I was up until 5am every morning maniacally sewing clothes.

3.30am is a bit too early to wake up, but at least I'll get to work for 7am. Not sure I'll last the day though.


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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:46 am 
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allularpunk wrote:
I have been the worst sleeper for the past few years. I think a big part of it is dating guys who snore (bummer...) because I'm such a light sleeper. Also I have anxiety, so when I do wake up, I can't fall back asleep because my mind is making lists of things that I'm anxious about. Or just the snoring keeps me awake. I've tried earplugs, they don't work. And now I think I'm in some awful cycle, because even when I'm alone I wake up constantly and have a hard time falling back asleep. Melatonin will get me to sleep, but nothing keeps me there.

Add in the night sweats I've been getting for the past couple of years... I miss sleep.


I sleep quite well, but I have definitely had periods when anxiety has kept me up. Listening to podcasts, or watching familiar shows (parks and recreation, futurama, etc.) helps keep my mind from racing and lulls me to sleep.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:15 am 
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I used to sleep so well, we could host a party in our room and I could go to sleep with everyone still laughing and playing video games on the other side of the bed. Hubby once took apart our bed behaving a friend lift off the mattress with me still on it!

Now, ugh. Dog moves? I wake up. Storm? Wake up. Power goes out? Then our fan turns off and I wake up (this one is handy as if our power goes out our basement will flood). The last few days My routine is, fall asleep at 11:30, wake up at 3, and 4, and 5 and so on and so on. The only way I fall asleep is by putting netflix on my phone and starting an episode of Community or Arrested Development. I used to be able to just do music but not Ny more...

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:50 pm 
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Aaaaghhh again!

I was tired at 9.30pm so went to bed. Mr8 read to me until about 11.30pm. I think I was asleep by 12, but was awake again at 1am and haven't gone back to sleep. I've taken some medication to help with it but because I've taken it so late I'm concerned that the tranquilizer effects will still be going on throughout my workday.


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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:18 am 
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I've been waking up at 4am-ish a few times, and have the old anxious/racing thoughts preventing me from drifting back off for a while. It's usually when I've got lots on for the coming day as well, so particularly unhelpful.

I've been taking Vitashine high strength vitamin D, and I'm wondering if that's contributing in some way, since they're such high doses.

I also don't think a burglar coming into my room while I was in bed helped much! Definitely been more jumpy since then.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:23 pm 
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As I mentioned earlier in the thread I have early-waking insomnia (along with a couple other non-insomnia sleeping disorders)

I have tried many things, but nothing really works. Well, in January I decided to give Melatonin a try. One pill before bed. It seems to be working so far! Apparently it works for all kinds of insomnia.

From what I can tell with my super scientific internet research, it is natural and harmless. I would recommend giving it a try guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:54 pm 
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Chicki wrote:
As I mentioned earlier in the thread I have early-waking insomnia (along with a couple other non-insomnia sleeping disorders)

I have tried many things, but nothing really works. Well, in January I decided to give Melatonin a try. One pill before bed. It seems to be working so far! Apparently it works for all kinds of insomnia.

From what I can tell with my super scientific internet research, it is natural and harmless. I would recommend giving it a try guys.


I use liquid melatonin and think it helps. I also use a lavendar spray on my pillow and sheets, have a humidifyer running and add Eucalyptus oil to help keep the room 'fresh'. It's not perfect and I still have terrible problems (night sweats are ruining my life) but it helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:33 pm 
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I got three hours sleep last night and another three between 7.30pm and 10.30pm tonight. Now it's 00.33am and I'm wide awake again. Bah!


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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:34 am 
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jaysus, here we are again.
i woke up at 330, laid there til 5, and then got up and washed dishes and started work early. yesterday i went running, if it doesn`t help me sleep i don't see the point. boo.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:05 am 
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I woke up at 2am, didn't get back to sleep until 5am, and then my alarm went off at 6am. Ugh.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:10 am 
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There are loads of information and solutions for the kind of insomnia where the problem is falling asleep. Unfortunately very little for when you wake up in the middle of sleeping and can't back to sleep. Anecdotally, what I've read and experienced is that it is often feeling troubled earlier in the day. It isn't completely processed and it adds that extra push to fully awaken when my body naturally comes to the top of a sleep cycle. Then once I am awake, I get tense about being awake at that point kaput.

It also happens to me when I either have too much food in my digestion system when going to bed or not enough.

The only suggestions I've read in insomnia books about the first problem is to take care your emotional health overall and on a daily basis is to write all your troubles and thoughts out a few hours before you go to sleep.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:44 am 
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That seems to make sense. My problem is usually waking up in the middle of the night, not a problem falling asleep when I first go to bed. And it usually happens on evenings where I go to bed anxious/stressed about something.

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 Post subject: Re: Insomnia
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:30 pm 
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lobsteriffic wrote:
That seems to make sense. My problem is usually waking up in the middle of the night, not a problem falling asleep when I first go to bed. And it usually happens on evenings where I go to bed anxious/stressed about something.


Yep, that is my issue too. I feel like "anxious/stressed" is putting things too strongly for my own situation, but then there isn't a set of words that mean the same things, but at a lesser intensity.

I find it frustrating, since there are piles of books and articles on insomnia with loads of advice for the first type of insomnia, but for the second type, when you wake up before you are supposed to, you get just one line saying it is unresolved thoughts in your head, "good luck", etc. :).

There is a useful rule that if you don't fall asleep within 30 min you should get up and do something. This prevents a bad association from forming.

A friend of mine who is an MD says sometimes it could be physical problems. Some types of pain can be so low level that you do not feel it, but it is enough to push you over the edge when you brain gets closer to being conscious. She will take ibuprofen and tums( to buffer the ibuprofen ) before bed. It hasn't worked for me yet, though I can't tell.

Cherry Juice is supposed to be a hugely powerful anti-inflammatory. Also, powdered ginger mixed up in a glass of water.

On nights I work out I will do one or the other those about an hour before I go to sleep just to hedge my bets.

To be honest, I had to show my GF how to turn off Facebook notification sounds on her phone as I was inadvertently waking her up at 4:30 AM by posting to Facebook on mornings where I gave up on sleeping :).

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the low level pain thing makes a lot of sense- my worst sleep issues seem to happen when i'm having tooth issues, or when i have had weird ear and throat infections lately.
i know last night was a worry thing- i had a big thing planned today and i didn't know if it was going to go smoothly or explode in my face, so even though i tried to be calm about it i know it was gnawing at me.

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