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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:47 pm 
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That is a perplexing article.

For what it's worth, I have had reactive hypoglycemia my entire life (including back when I was omni, a billion years ago). Once I finally found out what was going on, it became fairly trivial to manage. The idea that one needs to eat meat to treat reactive hypoglycemia is kinda misleading. Higher protein, lower carb diets can be really good for managing it (fewer peaks & valleys) but there's like... there's no protective power inherent in meat.

ETA: and I wanted to add, I'm not dissing what works for her. If that's the baseline diet that makes her healthy, cool, you do what you gotta do. But it's a kinda weird blanket statement to say that everyone with blood sugar problems needs to drop the kale and pick up some beef.

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That is amazingly awful writing.
Amazingly awful.
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And basically the whole thing is a giant public tantrum about her meaniepants sister.
And meat. SHE NEEDS MEAT SO MUCH AND EVERYONE MUST PROVIDE IT FOR HER BECAUSE HEALTH OR SOMETHING.
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However, when I attended dinner parties at their houses, I had to bring my own meat dish because they do not buy or cook meat.
That's right, because they are vegetarians. What part of "vegetarian" don't she understand? If you go to a vegetarian's house for dinner, I think it's reasonable to assume you'll be served a meatless meal. If you can't handle that, refuse the invitation, or eat a burger first. Veg*ns have to do this sort of thing all the time, and it's actually not the end of the world.
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While I can get by on a high-protein vegetarian meal for 1 meal per day, I can't do that every day. For optimum health, I should eat meat at least twice per day. If I don't get at least one meal with meat per day, I get symptoms by the next day. After several days of not enough meat, I can't even think.
So she should take responsibility for making sure she eats all the meats she needs/wants/imagines she requires to survive. This person sounds exactly like the imaginary vegan that omnivores are always on about. You know, the one who expects "the whole world" to accommodate their crazy dietary choices. Sheesh.
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For what it's worth, I have had reactive hypoglycemia my entire life (including back when I was omni, a billion years ago). Once I finally found out what was going on, it became fairly trivial to manage. The idea that one needs to eat meat to treat reactive hypoglycemia is kinda misleading. Higher protein, lower carb diets can be really good for managing it (fewer peaks & valleys) but there's like... there's no protective power inherent in meat.
All of this. I have a vegetarian colleague with hypoglycemia and a truly astonishing variety of food allergies, and she manages to make it work. If this person wants to eat meat several times a day, that's her choice, but I call bullshiitake in terms of her "needing" to do so.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I had hypoglycemia, or I guess I still have but I haven't had an episode in years. Prior to becoming vegan, eating a sandwich and then not eating within 3 hours would send my blood sugar diving. I'd get nauseous, dizzy, headachy and the worst part is I wouldn't want to eat. Basically, I had to be very careful about carby foods. When I went vegan, somehow this changed. I don't know why, I don't claim veganism fixed me but it is odd that these crashes were fairly predictable and required me to eat frequent meals as well as avoid things like bread.

That isn't the case now, I mean I'm glad, I don't know why but it coincided with me going vegan.

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However, when I attended dinner parties at their houses, I had to bring my own meat dish because they do not buy or cook meat.
That's right, because they are vegetarians. What part of "vegetarian" don't she understand? If you go to a vegetarian's house for dinner, I think it's reasonable to assume you'll be served a meatless meal. If you can't handle that, refuse the invitation, or eat a burger first. Veg*ns have to do this sort of thing all the time, and it's actually not the end of the world.

I love how she italicized that like it's earth-shattering news. Vegetarians don't want to cook you meat? And yet you will deign to cook things that aren't meat? Wow, they sure are crassholes!

I think it's accommodating to be like, "Hey, I don't buy or cook meat, but you can bring some to my house if you like". If it weren't for her health situation, bringing meat to a veg dinner would be so rude!


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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T has promised me that, in 25 years when I'm old enough to retire and have time for them and he's too old to care, we can have goats. Prettttty pumped about it.

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T has promised me that, in 25 years when I'm old enough to retire...

Just thinking about the idea that I have more than 30 years of work left gets me down. But, if I can get a house by age 37 (unlikely, but possible) then I could pay it off as I retire! I think I'd dread my middle years less if I liked my job more.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:18 pm 
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Just to chime in the anecdotal blood sugar stuff, I have MCADD, which causes hypoglycemia. I had low blood sugar in varying intensities pretty much every day of my entire life until going vegetarian, and even less frequently as a vegan. It still happens sometimes, but I don't have this overwhelming light-headedness that I used to get between meals frequently anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I want in on the pet peeves too!

- When people think your inviting them to a vegetarian restaurant that doesn't offer a single meat item is the exact same thing as if they invited you to a restaurant where everything had meat. No, it is not the same, you fool. You can literally eat ANYthing on the menu of a vegetarian restaurant. I can eat NOTHING on the menu of the other. (My coworker actually used the word "persecution.")

- People posting photos of their meat (hee hee) on social media. I guess it's just getting warm enough for grilling, because I've been totally grossed out several times this past week by close up pictures of disgusting hunks of meat. I know that I can't even say anything about it, to anyone, because to most people it's not gross. BUT HOW IS IT NOT GROSS? I mean, think about what it is.

- When you are getting made fun of/joked about/argued with because of your veganism, and you get called "self righteous" or "militant" just because you respond in kind.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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No, no. The vegan always started it.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Finding speculoos at the local grocery store, losing my mind with excitement, and then reading the ingredients.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Finding speculoos at the local grocery store, losing my mind with excitement, and then reading the ingredients.


OMG, I feel you. For me it was the Girl Scout Cookie imitations. I was SO FREAKING EXCITED to eat Samosas again. Then I read the ingredients and cried.


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What's wrong with speculoos?

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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What's wrong with speculoos?


My version had milk - twice!

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What?! I've never even heard of that before!

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I just saw a brand that had milk. i think it was this brand. i was pretty bummed
http://www.shopwell.com/bahlsen-spekula ... 7056981920

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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coldandsleepy wrote:
That is a perplexing article.

For what it's worth, I have had reactive hypoglycemia my entire life (including back when I was omni, a billion years ago). Once I finally found out what was going on, it became fairly trivial to manage. The idea that one needs to eat meat to treat reactive hypoglycemia is kinda misleading. Higher protein, lower carb diets can be really good for managing it (fewer peaks & valleys) but there's like... there's no protective power inherent in meat.

ETA: and I wanted to add, I'm not dissing what works for her. If that's the baseline diet that makes her healthy, cool, you do what you gotta do. But it's a kinda weird blanket statement to say that everyone with blood sugar problems needs to drop the kale and pick up some beef.


Yeah. I have reactive hypoglycemia that is wacky and annoying to manage, but there's the same magical molecules in any kind of food - I can eat high protein and low carb as a vegan, no problemo.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Yeah, even here in the land of speculoos, not every brand is vegan. It's really only Lotus that I trust without checking the packaging and they just happen to be accidentally vegan, and they're also the brand that introduced speculoos spread to the world, so I think that's how speculoos got to be known as a vegan thing. But it's not like speculoos is by definition a vegan cookie.

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I just saw a brand that had milk. i think it was this brand. i was pretty bummed
http://www.shopwell.com/bahlsen-spekula ... 7056981920


Spekulatius are a bit different from speculoos and many have butter and/or eggs. One variety is specifically called butter spekulatius.
These are my favourite brand and they are vegan!

http://www.borggreve-kekse.de/seitan/p_ ... ewuerz.htm

There seems to be a filter that changes "seit*n" (* = e) into "seitan". So Although I posted the correct link the page is not accesible if you don't correct that.


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I want goats too. I texted my husband as soon as the idea of rescue goats permeated.

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Yeah, even here in the land of speculoos, not every brand is vegan. It's really only Lotus that I trust without checking the packaging and they just happen to be accidentally vegan, and they're also the brand that introduced speculoos spread to the world, so I think that's how speculoos got to be known as a vegan thing. But it's not like speculoos is by definition a vegan cookie.

The Lotus spread I buy is not only accidentally vegan, but it's actually labelled vegan! They know where their bread is buttered (or, in this case, speculoosed).

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my neighbor came over to talk last night, she asked me if i drank powdered milk, then said she bought 'veggann' ricemellow at the store...you want to share your powdered milk but not the product i can eat?

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Why does a restaurant with tons of vegetarian options have exactly zero on the menu vegan options? Every single veggie option has CHEESE. Why?

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These are my favourite brand and they are vegan!

http://www.borggreve-kekse.de/seitan/p_ ... ewuerz.htm

There seems to be a filter that changes "seit*n" (* = e) into "seitan". So Although I posted the correct link the page is not accesible if you don't correct that.


Moon, I have bought those at Dollarama! Of course, selection varies from time to time and store to store, but have a look if you have one nearby. Another place I have seen both vegan and non-vegan speculoos is in the "imported" or "ethnic" section of Sobeys or Superstore. Those are quite variable too (often based on nearby population, not surprisingly) so try different stores, if you have more than one to choose from.


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hearing how someone took something you made (vegan of course) and dumping a bunch of non-vegan shiitake on it like milk and yogurt.

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