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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:06 pm 
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is dairy considered ok on a paleo diet? seems like cavemen wouldnt have had cheese?????


No, neither is pizza crust which was my point (and technically neither is the meat on top of a pizza). The paleo people I know will argue that paleo is the best thing EVAH but seriously, the ones I've known follow it as they see fit. It definitely seems like something to hold up as an ideal for them rather than something to follow in their daily lives.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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ARGH, the moms who wanted to have a "go vegan" class are now posting on FB how boring vegan food is. OMG WE CAN ONLY EAT OATMEAL FOR BREAKFAST. So I posted about Vegan Brunch, and now they are reassuring each other that a little dairy isn't a big deal.

Thanks for what you said PugMom! I really appreciate it and it is so kind. I do find it so frustrating how many people come to me for help going vegan, I spend time supporting them etc and then I see a post on FB that is all "OMG BACON." I am sure this is pretty common and I should keep trying any way, but it does make me feel less willing to get invested.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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linanil wrote:
LisaPunk wrote:
is dairy considered ok on a paleo diet? seems like cavemen wouldnt have had cheese?????


No, neither is pizza crust which was my point (and technically neither is the meat on top of a pizza). The paleo people I know will argue that paleo is the best thing EVAH but seriously, the ones I've known follow it as they see fit. It definitely seems like something to hold up as an ideal for them rather than something to follow in their daily lives.



oh yeah duh. the crust totally wouldnt be paleo. i forgot about that!

i wonder how my friend and her fiance will do on this.
i think it's basically a license to eat a lot of high fat meat while cutting out other random things and thinking you will lose weight.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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i think it's basically a license to eat a lot of high fat meat while cutting out other random things and thinking you will lose weight.

Paleo is the new Atkins.

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ARGH, the moms who wanted to have a "go vegan" class are now posting on FB how boring vegan food is. OMG WE CAN ONLY EAT OATMEAL FOR BREAKFAST. .


i must be a terrible vegan cause i dont think ive ever really eaten oatmeal.....

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i think it's basically a license to eat a lot of high fat meat while cutting out other random things and thinking you will lose weight.

Paleo is the new Atkins.



it totally is. like here eat a giant plate of bacon** BUT DONT EAT ANY GRAINS OR CERTAIN VEGETABLES BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD

and you will magically lose weight and be a shining picture of health!


**i dont actually know if bacon is considered paleo or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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**i dont actually know if bacon is considered paleo or not.


maybe if it comes from a wild boar? or, like, one of those carolina heritage hogs raised in the woods on acorns and boll weevils.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I think for the most part bacon isn't paleo but they generally allow it because well... why not? Paleo is supposed to be wild game and low fat grass-fed meat. Realistically, most people that are close to paleo don't do that or do it rarely.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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is dairy considered ok on a paleo diet? seems like cavemen wouldnt have had cheese?????
That's why they died out: man cannot live without cheese. It's called SCIENCE.
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I'll drape it over me like a slanket

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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so i was reading the other comments on my friend's post about going paleo and apparently there is something called a "primal" diet which someone claims is like paleo but with cheese.

oooookkkkkkkkkkkk

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Makes sense, you don't want to die of a cheese deficiency.

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I'm following the new primordial diet, in which I eat all day whatever food I crave first thing in the morning. So far it's just cupcakes.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I bet you could market that, maybe in conjunction with the Panda party.

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poopiebitch wrote:
LisaPunk wrote:
i think it's basically a license to eat a lot of high fat meat while cutting out other random things and thinking you will lose weight.

Paleo is the new Atkins.


Atkins is kinda what made me stop eating meat altogether.


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I'll drape it over me like a slanket
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linanil wrote:
I bet you could market that, maybe in conjunction with the Panda party.


The Pandkins Diet. All Kapop All The Time

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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ARGH, the moms who wanted to have a "go vegan" class are now posting on FB how boring vegan food is. OMG WE CAN ONLY EAT OATMEAL FOR BREAKFAST. So I posted about Vegan Brunch, and now they are reassuring each other that a little dairy isn't a big deal.

Thanks for what you said PugMom! I really appreciate it and it is so kind. I do find it so frustrating how many people come to me for help going vegan, I spend time supporting them etc and then I see a post on FB that is all "OMG BACON." I am sure this is pretty common and I should keep trying any way, but it does make me feel less willing to get invested.


They don't need to to go vegan for it to matter though. Even if they are all OMGBacon 6 days a week and eating vegan meals the other day, it's still a net win, right? And then the more they try, the less OMGMeatCheeseOMGBacooooon! They will be.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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people who tell you they tried being vegan for 2 weeks because of skinny bisque and then, guess what, it didn't stick! how surprising!

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people who tell you they tried being vegan for 2 weeks because of skinny bisque and then, guess what, it didn't stick! how surprising!


Skinny bisque worked for me! 5 years vegan and going strong. There was a passage about the experience of a worker at a meat processing plant who said a pig came up and nuzzled him like a dog and how that affected him. I read that while sitting next to my own dog and that did it for me. Of course I was vegetarian already 15 years and knew I needed to take the next step.


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They don't need to to go vegan for it to matter though. Even if they are all OMGBacon 6 days a week and eating vegan meals the other day, it's still a net win, right? And then the more they try, the less OMGMeatCheeseOMGBacooooon! They will be.


It would be nice if it worked that way. Its generally more, lots of emails asking for support, followed by radio silence and then FB pictures of bacon. One of my friends went vegan (Skinny bisque) for 5 months, and now makes jokes about vegan food :( That said, if I stop being grumpy about it, a bunch of friends have gone vegan and we are better friends now, and it is nice to be able to recommend resources.

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Tofulish, don't get sucked in. My rule now is that I will give you my awesome recipes when you tell me how much animal agriculture hurts you and how animals have a right to define their own existence. I am not going to give you my awesome recipes and my awesome support because you want to vary your diet or because veganism seems cool or because you're into magical thinking about food. Especially not if you're into magical thinking about food. In fact, any quantity of woo immediately disqualifies people from vegan assistance in my world. It's just a giant waste of time with fad dieters and homeopathy peddlers looking for the next food cure.

That being said, my sister went and stayed vegan only after reading Skinny bisque, even though I'd been hocking her for years about it.


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LisaPunk wrote:
so i was reading the other comments on my friend's post about going paleo and apparently there is something called a "primal" diet which someone claims is like paleo but with cheese.

oooookkkkkkkkkkkk


On another forum an ex-vegan was pushing the paleo diet but talked all the time about eating bacon with unpasteurized cheese??? Maybe this is what she was doing?

oh and the best thing was she was doing this for less than a year and was bragging about how her cholesterol wasn't up because that's fake bad science. Or you know, maybe it takes years for cholesterol to build up.

She also tried to convince me beans will give me diabetes.

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