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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:25 pm 
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I think because people are so used to eating all those foods with animal products in them, it is hard for them to understand that pasta doesn't have to be covered in cheese, that veggies don't need to be cooked in chicken broth, etc. It is disappointing how much animal products are thoroughly engraved into our culture that people cannot understand that you don't need them, and that it's not like you have to make this whole complicated weird meal.

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Now they're all panicking because they don't know what to feed me and I'm not "allowed" to cook my own meal because they want to do it for me. I'd suggest some things but I don't even know what's available back there (it's a super small town) and even things that seem basic to me like burritos, curry, etc. are totally foreign to them.
I hate how much anxiety this is causing me, it feels like the stress I get from going to an omni Christmas dinner where you can't bring anything..but it's going to happen over and over for two weeks. Gah!

Put your foot down and assert yourself! Even if they try to object, they'll be relieved in the long run. Let them know that you will be doing some cooking for yourself, and ask if they'd like to try some yummy things you'll be making too. If you can't check out grocery availability online before you go, and as long as you're not going across international borders, take along some herbs/spices, dry beans of your choice, etc.

And if you're too shy, have your husband tell his family 'what's what' for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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it's frustrating how most non-veg*ns make your food so complicated. it's like "omg what are we going to feed you?! you can't eat anything!", and you're like, "uh. rice, beans, vegetables. bread. salad. veggie burgers/dogs. pasta." and on, and on. it's really not difficult to eat vegan! basic foodstuffs are usually fine.


I find it particularly frustrating when it's often a simple matter of serving a given dish with cheese or meat on the side. I went to a party once and the only thing I could eat that I didn't bring myself was a (very tasty) pasta salad someone brought with proscuitto and asiago cheese in small bowls instead of mixed in. I made a point to thank them for their forethought!


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Maggie Muggins wrote:
Now they're all panicking because they don't know what to feed me and I'm not "allowed" to cook my own meal because they want to do it for me. I'd suggest some things but I don't even know what's available back there (it's a super small town) and even things that seem basic to me like burritos, curry, etc. are totally foreign to them.
I hate how much anxiety this is causing me, it feels like the stress I get from going to an omni Christmas dinner where you can't bring anything..but it's going to happen over and over for two weeks. Gah!

Put your foot down and assert yourself! Even if they try to object, they'll be relieved in the long run. Let them know that you will be doing some cooking for yourself, and ask if they'd like to try some yummy things you'll be making too. If you can't check out grocery availability online before you go, and as long as you're not going across international borders, take along some herbs/spices, dry beans of your choice, etc.

And if you're too shy, have your husband tell his family 'what's what' for you.


Agree. If it was one day, or even a weekend, I would just deal with it and eat Luna bars and trail mix. But two weeks? You gotta eat hon. Call them up and explain, politely of course. Maybe you can help cook, or at least go to a local grocery and get some frozen dinners or something.

If you eat just steamed veggies and salad with no dressing for two weeks, just to be polite, that is NOT good for you. I have eaten badly on trips like this, and gotten sick.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:22 pm 
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My vegan pet peeve right now is having a non-vegan pet. I obviously want to feed my cat the best food (that I can afford), but I feel guilty buying him meat, especially lamb. Or duck - I walk by a waterway that has ducks in it, and I love watching them, so I can only think of them when I see cat food with duck in it. I try to make myself feel better by buying stuff from companies that aren't owned by vivisecting parent companies, but I still feel like a crasshole.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:28 pm 
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They've stopped selling tofu and meat substitutes at the two Krogers that are closest to me, having filled THE ENTIRE AREA with Greek yogurt. So I went to the one that's a 20 minute drive, the fancy one, thinking they will not have forsaken me! Same thing. Except at that one, there's a sign saying 'Tofu and vegan products have been moved until we can get a cooler big enough for everything' and then it says where they are, which is two different places on opposite ends of the store. I mean, I'm glad they're still selling them, but why do we have to get bumped around to accommodate that stupid yogurt? Put that shiitake somewhere else! I mean, they moved most of the vegan stuff to the dairy aisle. Uh...wouldn't it make more sense to just put all that yogurt there?

I was pretty pumped to see that they actually used the word 'vegan' instead of vegetarian, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:53 pm 
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Oh how annoying, AP!! I would be throwing a tantrum in the Greek yogurt aisle.


ETA my peeve: Something gave me dog farts and I have no idea what. Breakfast was mostly wheat (basil muffins) and I just had lunch. Didn't eat much in between. Just a new tea.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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My vegan pet peeve right now is having a non-vegan pet. I obviously want to feed my cat the best food (that I can afford), but I feel guilty buying him meat, especially lamb. Or duck - I walk by a waterway that has ducks in it, and I love watching them, so I can only think of them when I see cat food with duck in it. I try to make myself feel better by buying stuff from companies that aren't owned by vivisecting parent companies, but I still feel like a crasshole.
We have a dog and two cats and I feel the same way about the cat food. Both our cats are rescues, so the way we justify it is that we've decided that giving these animals a chance at life outweighed our issues with supporting the pet food industry. We love our furbabies, and also go out of our way to find the least of available evils in terms of brands, but it never stops being uncomfortable.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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They've stopped selling tofu and meat substitutes at the two Krogers that are closest to me, having filled THE ENTIRE AREA with Greek yogurt. So I went to the one that's a 20 minute drive, the fancy one, thinking they will not have forsaken me! Same thing. Except at that one, there's a sign saying 'Tofu and vegan products have been moved until we can get a cooler big enough for everything' and then it says where they are, which is two different places on opposite ends of the store. I mean, I'm glad they're still selling them, but why do we have to get bumped around to accommodate that stupid yogurt? Put that shiitake somewhere else! I mean, they moved most of the vegan stuff to the dairy aisle. Uh...wouldn't it make more sense to just put all that yogurt there?

I was pretty pumped to see that they actually used the word 'vegan' instead of vegetarian, though.


Maybe they will add an entre aisle like the nice Kroger in B'burg did!

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:50 pm 
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I am going to a BBQ tonight hosted by some relatives I am not very close to at all. Another family member who knows that I do not eat meat and who herself prefers not to eat meat (but is not vegetarian nor vegan) told me she will have them grill some veggie burgers. I told her that that was not necessary at all, that I would be fine without any food (I will have already eaten dinner). I know that she won't listen, and that she doesn't really understand veganism. I know the stores where these people shop, and I already know that they will have already made some of the non-vegan Morningstar burgers before I even get there, and I will have to come up with some polite way of declining them without , and they will keep insisting that I eat (non of the sides are likely to be vegan)

I get that they are trying to be hospitable and all that, but more often then not, I wish people wouldn't try to be, as more often than not, it actually makes things more difficult for me. If someone tells you that they will not need food, just listen to them!


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I agree! I think people feel bad about not serving you, i guess because they are trying to be hospitable and inclusive, but it does make it harder. The hardest part about veganism for me is not resisting foods; it is rejecting food when your lovely aunt tells you how excited she is for you to taste her scones, or when your best friend's mom gives you an Easter basket full of milk chocolate.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Went to a baby shower, and the host apologized like three times for not having food for me. I ate some crackers and fruit and had a glass of punch. The only other things besides that were bacon pretzels (what the fizzle, right?) and a cheesy dip, so it's not like there was a ton of food I couldn't eat anyway. I can only say "no big deal!" a couple times before I start feeling a little uncomfortable too...


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My boyfriend's mother would always try to feed me and couldn't understand what vegan meant and it would be awkward.

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Mine is also cat food related. We're fostering and mr kitty will only eat this one brand of food that's owned by forking Nestlé who we've been boycotting since before we were vegan. Nick thought he'd just be able to slowly transition him to a more ethical brand but it just makes him sick which is obviously not okay. I feel so icky about the non-vegan food anyway and it having to be this shitty evil brand is bumming me out.

I also don't think we should be paying for all the food anyway given that we more looking after him so Nick's friend can go travelling but that's a whole 'nother matter!

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I didn't think you could feed cats a vegan diet anyway? That sucks about having to throw dollars unwillingly at Nestlé though.

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I didn't think you could feed cats a vegan diet anyway? That sucks about having to throw dollars unwillingly at Nestlé though.


Oh no, as far as I know you can't. We just wanted to buy something "ethical". I mean I'm definitely finding the smelling meat in my house thing icky (& it's definitely a reason we put off having meat eating animals around for ages - I had a hamster before!) but I extra haaaaate that it's shitty Nestlé.

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I feel this way especially when I'm taking care of large amounts of cats. Right now the cats at one place (a rescuer) eat 8-10 13 oz cans, 8-10 5.5 oz. cans and 4-6 3 oz. cans a day. It's so much meat! And kittens eat SO MUCH!

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There are vegan cat foods (this is probably mostly beyond the scope of pet peeves but I bet over in the yard you will find people who've done it), though we ended up having to switch back to omni food. It's a little easier with female cats, though.

This is what we used for a while.. Unfortunately some cats are prone to urinary crystals on a plant-based diet, as ours was, and supplementing with the prescription cranberry supplement powder our vet gave us and other attempts to make it work just didn't help us..
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My boyfriend's mother would always try to feed me and couldn't understand what vegan meant and it would be awkward.


Sometimes I think we should all make a list to give to people of commonly available vegan foods in our area that we like or will tolerate (like regular Fritos are vegan, some people may not want to eat those at a party though).

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That's interesting annak, I was under the impression it was a definite no no. With our situation mr kitty will be going back to live with his real cat mum next March and she'll just go back to feeding him whatever cheap food she can get at the corner store so I'm not sure two big changes like that (now and then again in march) would be fair / worth the hassle just to make us feel more comfortable.

I think the best plan in our sitch' would be to email the girl whose kitty it is, explain that we're not ok with paying for this food and ask her to pay the £10pm for it. I'm pretty sure my husband won't be up for that idea as he thought it would be rude/weird to expect her to contribute for food etc in the first place.

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That's interesting annak, I was under the impression it was a definite no no. With our situation mr kitty will be going back to live with his real cat mum next March and she'll just go back to feeding him whatever cheap food she can get at the corner store so I'm not sure two big changes like that (now and then again in march) would be fair / worth the hassle just to make us feel more comfortable.

I think the best plan in our sitch' would be to email the girl whose kitty it is, explain that we're not ok with paying for this food and ask her to pay the £10pm for it. I'm pretty sure my husband won't be up for that idea as he thought it would be rude/weird to expect her to contribute for food etc in the first place.

But it's her cat! Will you also be expected to pay for any vet bills that may occur?

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That's interesting annak, I was under the impression it was a definite no no. With our situation mr kitty will be going back to live with his real cat mum next March and she'll just go back to feeding him whatever cheap food she can get at the corner store so I'm not sure two big changes like that (now and then again in march) would be fair / worth the hassle just to make us feel more comfortable.

I think the best plan in our sitch' would be to email the girl whose kitty it is, explain that we're not ok with paying for this food and ask her to pay the £10pm for it. I'm pretty sure my husband won't be up for that idea as he thought it would be rude/weird to expect her to contribute for food etc in the first place.
My impression is that it can be done, but you unless your vegan cat food is fortified with taurine you'd need to supplement. That said, I've heard that some cats don't like and/or tolerate it well; I know one person who had to switch back to meaty food because her cat had digestive issues. Ultimately we've just decided to be hypocrites in this area (I also have a car with leather seats, bought before I was vegan), but buying/having the stuff in the house is definitely unpleasant on a number of levels.

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That's interesting annak, I was under the impression it was a definite no no. With our situation mr kitty will be going back to live with his real cat mum next March and she'll just go back to feeding him whatever cheap food she can get at the corner store so I'm not sure two big changes like that (now and then again in march) would be fair / worth the hassle just to make us feel more comfortable.

I think the best plan in our sitch' would be to email the girl whose kitty it is, explain that we're not ok with paying for this food and ask her to pay the £10pm for it. I'm pretty sure my husband won't be up for that idea as he thought it would be rude/weird to expect her to contribute for food etc in the first place.

But it's her cat! Will you also be expected to pay for any vet bills that may occur?


I can't believe she didn't just give you some money up front for any cat expenses!

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The guy who made Evolution was convicted of animal cruelty and practicing medicine without a license (I think both human and veterinary.) My friend's cat died from that food. I can't post links from my tablet for some reason but Google Eric Weisman animal cruelty.

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