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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:39 am 
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I met biker boy's friend's new girlfriend the other day and while I really like her, which is good 'cause I may be spending a lot of time with her, she did tell me that the sweet potato fries biker boy and I ordered for the table weren't "very vegan." Upon questioning she said she thought all vegans were really into healthy food so I set her straight (nicely!) that vegan really means only no animal products and that anything else was just not related.

Of course the next person I run into will be the one who makes sure to tell me that "all" the vegans they know eat soooo unhealthy and, like, why are "all" vegans obsessed with junk food?

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My dude had a bunch of people over for Monday night football last night and everyone brought a bunch of food. I knew I probably wouldn't be able to make anything, and wanted to contribute, so I made a couple of dips - baba ghanoush and a bean/butternut squash dip. Both were pretty bangin' if I do say so myself. And there were veggies and stuff for me to eat, so I was fine. Anyway, while everyone had plates full of wings and chicken sandwiches and sausage rolls, I just hung out, having already been eating tons of my dips, and this one woman was like, 'Aren't you going to EAT?' She knows I'm vegan, she was on the camping trip we went on this summer where I brought all my own food, plus I had pretty openly been stuffing my face with dip...and literally everything else was all meat and cheese. I just hate being singled out like that. Also, a couple of people made it a point to tell me that my dips were 'actually pretty good!'. Actually? Oh, cool.

No, really, I love his friends, they're just a little clueless when it comes to veganism, like most people. When it's people I like (as long as they're not being dicks), it doesn't bother me as much. Still, though. 'Actually'.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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"You can't eat wheat, can you?" said by a good friend of mine who I have literally broken bread with. I think she was just having a bad case of the stupids that day.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:45 am 
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I hear you on that one. I usually deflect it back onto the person by joking, "well, don't act too surprised!" That often points out in a friendly way that it's kind of a backhanded compliment to give any chef, not just a vegan one.

My major pet peeve, which is making me majorly sad more than annoyed, is that I just got confirmation that a close friend of mine recently stopped being vegan. I don't want to be shallow, and I don't want to think that this will change our friendship. But the truth is that it kind of does. Not because she's no longer in my little club or whatever, but because she knows and understands and (I thought) believes the compassionate rationale behind veganism, and she is, on some level, acknowledging that she is willingly harming animals for her own tastes and desires. I'm really bummed out, and I don't know how to address it with her without just coming out with "so, you're not vegan anymore?!" like I'm the Vegan Police.

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A couchsurfing request I received today contained the following gem:

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[...] i've tried to be vegan for one week and sucked the first day haha [...]


I'm not sure how that was meant to make me want to host them, but it definitely didn't work.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Erika Soyf*cker wrote:
... but because she knows and understands and (I thought) believes the compassionate rationale behind veganism, and she is, on some level, acknowledging that she is willingly harming animals for her own tastes and desires. I'm really bummed out, and I don't know how to address it with her without just coming out with "so, you're not vegan anymore?!" like I'm the Vegan Police.


Are you two close? If so, maybe you could get together and see how she's doing. She MAY have consciously decided to 'quit' veganism, or she may just be dealing with something else and letting her life fall apart, you know?

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:09 pm 
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Conversation I just had with my mother:

her: I just feel like I'm constantly looking for things you and your father might like to eat, vegetarian things, and you never look for things I might like to eat (Note: SHE MEANS MEAT) and it makes me feel bad.
Me: I just think there's a difference between asking me or dad to do something we've decided is morally wrong and you cooking vegetarian food, which you presumably enjoy and don't have any moral qualms about.
her: gets teary, says she just feels like we don't think about her.

I MEAN REALLY. I *do* make things I think she'd like, and I buy her light beers I have no interest in because I think she might like them; I just don't go looking for forking meat recipes I think she'd like and then buy the ingredients for them and make them. Plus, she was the one who introduced me to veg cooking with vegetarian epicure and moosewood, etc., so it's not like she only enjoys meat and potatoes.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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This article: "Chicken Stock Doesn’t Count as Meat: Vegetarians won’t die if they sometimes eat food with poultry broth in it."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/09/chicken_stock_vegetarians_need_to_compromise_and_stop_pretending_it_counts.html


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:28 am 
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pixel wrote:
This article: "Chicken Stock Doesn’t Count as Meat: Vegetarians won’t die if they sometimes eat food with poultry broth in it."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/09/chicken_stock_vegetarians_need_to_compromise_and_stop_pretending_it_counts.html


Ugh! Just read it and it's the worst! The absolute worst part, though, is at the end: "We all know that if I didn’t tell you there was a little chicken stock in that veggie stir fry, you wouldn’t know and therefore couldn’t care." After the whole article is about why chicken stock is necessary if you want the food to taste good, he says you won't even know the difference? Which is it?


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:48 am 
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Dave the Cat wrote:
pixel wrote:
This article: "Chicken Stock Doesn’t Count as Meat: Vegetarians won’t die if they sometimes eat food with poultry broth in it."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/09/chicken_stock_vegetarians_need_to_compromise_and_stop_pretending_it_counts.html


Ugh! Just read it and it's the worst! The absolute worst part, though, is at the end: "We all know that if I didn’t tell you there was a little chicken stock in that veggie stir fry, you wouldn’t know and therefore couldn’t care." After the whole article is about why chicken stock is necessary if you want the food to taste good, he says you won't even know the difference? Which is it?


Gad, what a rude asparagus the author is. I hope his vegetarian friends read the article and disown him.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Wow. I can't even. Next time this guy is over for dinner, i guess i'll just slip some poo into his food. He wouldn't know unless i told him, so no big deal, right?

Ugh. And i'm so sick of meat eaters telling me they agree that animals shouldn't be harmed, and how they respect the animals they eat, and blah blah blah. If you really cared, and really respected animals, you wouldn't eat meat. So stop trying to get me to give you validation. And the worst part is that i always feel like a bisque when i respond with something snarky. Usually the person i'm talking to looks taken aback, like they couldn't believe i would respond with anything other than "That's great! I'm so glad you don't think animals should be hurt! And it just tickles my soul to know that you respect the animals that were killed so you could eat them!"

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:33 am 
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Wow. I can't even. Next time this guy is over for dinner, i guess i'll just slip some poo into his food. He wouldn't know unless i told him, so no big deal, right?

Ugh. And i'm so sick of meat eaters telling me they agree that animals shouldn't be harmed, and how they respect the animals they eat, and blah blah blah. If you really cared, and really respected animals, you wouldn't eat meat. So stop trying to get me to give you validation. And the worst part is that i always feel like a bisque when i respond with something snarky. Usually the person i'm talking to looks taken aback, like they couldn't believe i would respond with anything other than "That's great! I'm so glad you don't think animals should be hurt! And it just tickles my soul to know that you respect the animals that were killed so you could eat them!"


THIS. YES.
I am so tired of people seeking my validation and being hurt that I'm not giving it. How many times can I possibly say, "I don't give a shiitake about your diet. This is my lifestyle choice; I'm obviously not going to agree with you on any level."

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:57 am 
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pixel wrote:
This article: "Chicken Stock Doesn’t Count as Meat: Vegetarians won’t die if they sometimes eat food with poultry broth in it."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/09/chicken_stock_vegetarians_need_to_compromise_and_stop_pretending_it_counts.html


Ugh! Just read it and it's the worst! The absolute worst part, though, is at the end: "We all know that if I didn’t tell you there was a little chicken stock in that veggie stir fry, you wouldn’t know and therefore couldn’t care." After the whole article is about why chicken stock is necessary if you want the food to taste good, he says you won't even know the difference? Which is it?


And actually, I occasionally suspect restaurants I've eaten in to have done this. So, I'm pretty sure I would know and it basically ruins a meal for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:58 am 
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pixel wrote:
This article: "Chicken Stock Doesn’t Count as Meat: Vegetarians won’t die if they sometimes eat food with poultry broth in it."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/09/chicken_stock_vegetarians_need_to_compromise_and_stop_pretending_it_counts.html


This peas me off. I will not compromise my personal integrity to make another person happy. And, having had people lie to me (to make themselves feel better) about what was in my food... I see that as a huge betrayal. I have a pretty nasty peanut allergy and would not be happy if you lied about that, if only for a short time before I died. Why do you think I would be happy about you lying about dead animal in my food?

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:12 am 
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That is really what I'd call a one trick pony. Basically someone isn't willing to branch out because all they know is chicken stock. why not utilize vegetable trimmings to make vegetable stock? Or make a mushroom broth for that mushroom risotto? Or add some white wine for flavor depth? Or some herbs?

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kfad wrote:
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This article: "Chicken Stock Doesn’t Count as Meat: Vegetarians won’t die if they sometimes eat food with poultry broth in it."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/09/chicken_stock_vegetarians_need_to_compromise_and_stop_pretending_it_counts.html


This peas me off. I will not compromise my personal integrity to make another person happy. And, having had people lie to me (to make themselves feel better) about what was in my food... I see that as a huge betrayal. I have a pretty nasty peanut allergy and would not be happy if you lied about that, if only for a short time before I died. Why do you think I would be happy about you lying about dead animal in my food?
I think the only sensible response is "Vegetable stock is vegetarian: It won't kill you to use a different ingredient sometimes."

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Another peeve: All the signs in our school bathrooms that say "Paper towels come from trees. Use less!" That's great, but why is my school so concerned about using less trees, but not about using less animals? It bothers me that there is such a strong connection in people's mind that paper=tress, but not meat=animals.
I'm starting a student group for vegetarians/vegans and i want to try to get signs in dining halls that say "Meat comes from dead animals. Eat less!"

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pixel wrote:
This article: "Chicken Stock Doesn’t Count as Meat: Vegetarians won’t die if they sometimes eat food with poultry broth in it."

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2013/09/chicken_stock_vegetarians_need_to_compromise_and_stop_pretending_it_counts.html

arrgh, that sucks. One of the comments was of course complaining about all the people who have special dietary restrictions now and how hard it is to cater to all of them, which I get is annoying, I really do. It just sucks that people view veganism as just another fad diet that they have to cater to.

Sometimes I hate being vegan just because I don't want people to think I'm just some picky trendy crasshole. I shouldn't care of course, but I do.

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Hell's bells. If it's that difficult for this guy to avoid using chicken broth, just don't have vegetarians over for dinner.

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And really, if you're that torn up about it, go get some "chicken" vegetable bouillon. The McCormick's ones I use are really good.

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I think he's probably solved the problem of having to cook dinner for vegetarians ever again..


My peeve: when you're eating pistachios in their shells, and you come across one where the shell hasn't split open and you can't get the nut out to eat.


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i save those pistachios up and then crack them with pliers, and they taste better than all the other pistachios.

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Wow. I can't even. Next time this guy is over for dinner, i guess i'll just slip some poo into his food. He wouldn't know unless i told him, so no big deal, right?

Ugh. And i'm so sick of meat eaters telling me they agree that animals shouldn't be harmed, and how they respect the animals they eat, and blah blah blah. If you really cared, and really respected animals, you wouldn't eat meat. So stop trying to get me to give you validation. And the worst part is that i always feel like a bisque when i respond with something snarky. Usually the person i'm talking to looks taken aback, like they couldn't believe i would respond with anything other than "That's great! I'm so glad you don't think animals should be hurt! And it just tickles my soul to know that you respect the animals that were killed so you could eat them!"


THIS. YES.
I am so tired of people seeking my validation and being hurt that I'm not giving it. How many times can I possibly say, "I don't give a shiitake about your diet. This is my lifestyle choice; I'm obviously not going to agree with you on any level."


ALL OF THIS EVER.
i try to be "the cool vegan", the one who doesn't care if you tear into a fleshy mass for your dinner right in front of me, who will simply smile and say "okay, then" when you insist we need to make 2 pizzas, because one absolutely NEEDS cheese, etc. but if i wasn't so polite, dammit... i feel like i can't really get angry, because honestly, i don't care what you eat; i mean, you're going to eat whatever you want, i'm going to eat whatever i want, and that's that. but it really does bother me when people are like, "oh, i love animals! blah blah", but won't even consider going veg*n, because "i just couldn't give up [meat/dairy/eggs]". it enrages me even more that i can't tell them, "if you care about animals so much, why the fork are you eating them?", because then i'm the jerkface.

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i save those pistachios up and take them out in the driveway and smash them with a sledgehammer, and i save all sorts of money on therapy.

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This has probably been mentioned a bunch before, but people making me feel guilty and like I'm a burden for being vegan. I'm in grad school, and today I ran into one of the staff members from the Global Studies center. One of the trips our school hosted last year was a service leaning trip to the Dominican Republic. I went on that trip, and he was also one of the chaperoning staff members. It was at times difficult to find food there because where we stayed provided group meals, but I was as gracious as possible, thanking people for their efforts to help me and not complaining about what there was/wasn't, just that I needed to have something and I'd be fine. So without my saying anything, today he says, "Well, if you're interested in going on the Costa Rica trips there's your food issues...it's really hard for people to prepare things like that and you'd have to take care of your own food." I deal with enough guilt from anxiety and the like, why you gotta give me more for making me feel like I'm just a big inconvenience? I brought whatever snacks I could but there's only so much you could bring on a plane and shopping trips were limited. I did the best I can because I know it can be difficult, but throwing it in my face like it's my fault just makes me sad.

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