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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:18 pm 
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Trust me, people who honestly NEED to be gluten free aren't in this because we hate bread or wanted to give it up willingly. ;)

I don't think that's most people though! Gluten has become the big "unhealthy" thing, I just read an article that said 30% of Americans think something gluten free = healthier. My boyfriend works at a vegan restaurant and people are constantly ordering the seitan sandwich on GF bread, when the waiter says seitan *is* gluten they say something like, they are cutting back.



These are the people who make it hard for those who DO have gluten issues to eat out. The kitchen gets an order like that and starts to think gluten free is a joke, and it doesn't matter if they use the same bread knife or if there are crumbs in the peanut butter, or if they share the pasta water, the colander, etc. Drives me crazy. Seeing a (wheat) angel hair noodle in my gluten free spaghetti sentences me to 2 weeks of feeling like crepe because of the level of cross contamination that had to occur in order for that to happen...either shared water, shared colander, or wheat pasta just getting plopped into the gluten free pasta for whatever reason. Ugh. That is my GF peeve. :P


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I felt this earlier this week when I was out with some people from my department for a meal after an evening seminar at an omni place. I asked if anything on the menu was vegan and the guy said there was one thing which was GF and vegan, which they'd specifically put on there to satisfy GF and vegan people in one go. It was basically a pile of bland cooked lentils wrapped in cabbage leaves with a few potato wedges around the sides and some gravy. It looked and tasted like it was made of sadness.

Maybe it's cos I'm still on a diet (roll on Sunday!) but that sounds like a meal I'd quite enjoy! Well, apart from the sadness.


It wouldn't have been too bad actually if the lentils had actually had some herbs and spices added so that I wasn't just eating a big pile of cooked lentils. It annoyed me more than anything because most of the people I was out with were vegetarian or omni but quite genuinely interested in veganism, which wasn't helped by my food.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I have a friend who used to be vegan but made HORRID food choices then. Now she is not only gluten free, but super anti-anything-that-might-be-a-carb. It is forcing her to look at her food. And yes, cutting out a lot of the crepe in her diet helped her health. Her militant attitude about it, while calling me a hardass vegan is getting on my nerves.
Seriously, I am not the vegan police. I am not even the vegan neighborhood watch.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:27 pm 
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Is it really unreasonable for me to ask my friend to remove the hood from her Canada Gross coat when we go shopping next week? She knows it bothers the hell out of me but is so insistent that she will freeze to death in any other coat :(

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Is it really unreasonable for me to ask my friend to remove the hood from her Canada Gross coat when we go shopping next week? She knows it bothers the hell out of me but is so insistent that she will freeze to death in any other coat :(

I vote yes. I am grossed out by all the Canada Goose jackets in these parts but I think it is an unreasonable imposition (and kind of makes you sound like "that vegan") to ask her to put her comfort and wellbeing behind your not wanting to see it. Plus, the damage has already been done, the poor animal might as well be used for the intended purpose. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:29 pm 
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I get frustrated with people who promote gluten free as a healthy diet for everybody. Like it's the next step in veganism. And like gluten is the devil.
That's silly. Everyone knows that the merest iota of oil (even in a huge vat of soup or curry) is the devil!


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:22 pm 
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Moon wrote:
Is it really unreasonable for me to ask my friend to remove the hood from her Canada Gross coat when we go shopping next week? She knows it bothers the hell out of me but is so insistent that she will freeze to death in any other coat :(

I vote yes. I am grossed out by all the Canada Goose jackets in these parts but I think it is an unreasonable imposition (and kind of makes you sound like "that vegan") to ask her to put her comfort and wellbeing behind your not wanting to see it. Plus, the damage has already been done, the poor animal might as well be used for the intended purpose. :(


Ugh, yeah, that's a difficult thing to navigate. I don't actually know what I would do.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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Sigh. Is anyone else feeling a little bummed out by Thanksgiving? The presidential turkey pardon thing is weird and forking perverse. I mean...to be honest, I don't think about animal rights-y stuff much because there are other causes I care more about, but this whole holiday is such an exercise in cognitive dissonance and self-absorption. I can't even.

You can even vote on which turkey Obama should symbolically decide not to kill. Yay?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/11/ ... ing-turkey

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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I was reading an article about how even the "pardoned" turkeys don't survive long, simply because like other birds used in animal ag, they are bred to grow at a pace that is unsustainable, so their bones break and they have difficulty breathing etc. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/2 ... 09269.html

Our local sanctuary rescued a broiler chicken, and he was so cute, but grew so fast, it was mindblowing. He basically died because his body couldn't support that growth past the point where chickens would normally be slaughtered.

So in addition to the fact that the turkeys haven't done anything wrong, where one would be pardoned and the rest condemned to die, animal ag has made it so that none of the turkeys can survive, so pardoning them is really an exercise in futility. By overbreeding them, we have already sentenced them to die.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:53 am 
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j-dub wrote:
Moon wrote:
Is it really unreasonable for me to ask my friend to remove the hood from her Canada Gross coat when we go shopping next week? She knows it bothers the hell out of me but is so insistent that she will freeze to death in any other coat :(

I vote yes. I am grossed out by all the Canada Goose jackets in these parts but I think it is an unreasonable imposition (and kind of makes you sound like "that vegan") to ask her to put her comfort and wellbeing behind your not wanting to see it. Plus, the damage has already been done, the poor animal might as well be used for the intended purpose. :(

What j-dub said.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:08 am 
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j-dub wrote:
Moon wrote:
Is it really unreasonable for me to ask my friend to remove the hood from her Canada Gross coat when we go shopping next week? She knows it bothers the hell out of me but is so insistent that she will freeze to death in any other coat :(

I vote yes. I am grossed out by all the Canada Goose jackets in these parts but I think it is an unreasonable imposition (and kind of makes you sound like "that vegan") to ask her to put her comfort and wellbeing behind your not wanting to see it. Plus, the damage has already been done, the poor animal might as well be used for the intended purpose. :(


I think Moon is talking about the furtrim on the hood, rather than the coat itself, so that may impact her comfort less than not wearing the coat.

I don't see the harm in asking (friends ask friends to make accommodations for their preferences all the time!), but your friend already knows it bothers you, so it does not sound like asking her is actually going to accomplish much.

My general thought is that you can ask for anything, and the other person should be completely free to say no.

I personally wouldn't want to self-censor my interactions with friends for fear of being "That Vegan" and then be uncomfortable, rather than saying something. My friends are awesome people and I can talk to them about anything! You definitely can't force your friend not to wear the coat, but I don't see the harm in having a conversation (which it sounds like you have had) about why you're uncomfortable. And then its up to her to accommodate or not, and its up to you as to how you want to then structure your friendship and the way you spend time together.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:54 am 
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Yeah, I really don't want to be "that vegan". And I wouldn't ask that of an acquaintance, or even if it was another species' fur on the hood. But I find that lately when I see the coats I just think of Tungsten and what he'd go through in one of the traps. Canaans are considered a primitive or "wild type" breed and it feels like people are wearing my dog.

I think I'm just feeling over-sensitive and setting myself worrying about things over the next month that I have limited control over.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:35 am 
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Sigh. Is anyone else feeling a little bummed out by Thanksgiving? The presidential turkey pardon thing is weird and forking perverse. I mean...to be honest, I don't think about animal rights-y stuff much because there are other causes I care more about, but this whole holiday is such an exercise in cognitive dissonance and self-absorption. I can't even.

You can even vote on which turkey Obama should symbolically decide not to kill. Yay?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/11/ ... ing-turkey
That is just messed up. As I posted above in this thread (in re: an idiot FB friend's picture of her "dinner" squawking around with his equally doomed pals in a barnyard), the whole business is making me pretty depressed. Driving home from work yesterday, I snapped off NPR because those "America's Test Kitchen" crassholes were wanking about all the fabulous things you can do to your headless, dead turkey, and how much better all your vegetables dishes will be if they're cooked with - you knew this was coming - bacon (because eeewwww, unbaconed vegetables, right?!) and on and on and on.
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I was reading an article about how even the "pardoned" turkeys don't survive long, simply because like other birds used in animal ag, they are bred to grow at a pace that is unsustainable, so their bones break and they have difficulty breathing etc. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/2 ... 09269.html

Our local sanctuary rescued a broiler chicken, and he was so cute, but grew so fast, it was mindblowing. He basically died because his body couldn't support that growth past the point where chickens would normally be slaughtered.

So in addition to the fact that the turkeys haven't done anything wrong, where one would be pardoned and the rest condemned to die, animal ag has made it so that none of the turkeys can survive, so pardoning them is really an exercise in futility. By overbreeding them, we have already sentenced them to die.
Exactly. But you can't have this conversation, because no one wants to have their "turkey day" ruined by thinking about turkeys.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan pet peeves
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For some reason I went to the comment section of an article about some animals being killed/injured in movie production while the movies still receive a "no animals were harmed in the making of this film" stamp. There was one person commenting that countless animals probably were killed in the making of equipment, meals, costumes etc. that are used in the making of movies. Of course this particular comment had millions of downrates and angry carnists yelling HOW IT IS NOT THE POINT AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!! Chickens and cows are not cute nice ponies and tigers! Aargh. I dont want to live on this planet anymore.


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Lately I've heard a lot of people who eat meat comment on how horrible factory farming is (because they bought meat from the farmer's market once so they are above all that, you know, unless they're broke or they're at a restaurant or it's a Tuesday and they are forced to buy the horrible factory farmed meat) and it makes me roll my eyes so hard they almost fall out.

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I too am majorly bummed by thanksgiving.

It is just so depressing that it revolves around the turkey (well, the meal part anyway)

I am generally NOT bothered by people eating meat. Really, don't have a problem going to restaurants and stuff. I eat out often with my job, and also with friends. In the summer, we have BBQ's here and grill meat outside. I don't give a fork. But steakhouses that wheel out the cuts of cow, and thanksgiving with the giant carcass in the middle of the table...I just cannot do it. When I first went veggie, I tolerated it, but I just can't anymore. I guess I am turning into a militant vegan! (according to Friends and family)

Also, my family are kind of crassholes about me being vegan anyways so I get the half-assed 'you can come to dinner but there wont be anything for you to eat' invite. Then incessant teasing, my doctor brother telling me I am malnourished, and them sneaking meat and dairy into my food. I would rather just stay home.

AND the fact that thanksgiving seems to be more about buying people STUFF for Christmas also ticks me off. I stopped celebrating the holidays years ago because I couldn't stand the commercialism that took over. I can't even get near a shopping center for the next month.

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i am tired of seeing that food banks are running out of turkeys and hams. i know that it is tradition but could they not feed more people with things like lasagna or a baked grain dish? i am not trying to sound cold but if there was a serious lack of food would people really scoff at a meal that did not consist of a dead animal?

would a vegan/veg centered food bank/feeding hall work?

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Our work had a food drive, I assume they are buying turkeys and stuff for the families but I bought a couple of bags of shelf stable food items and I included some lasagna noodles as well. The thing I thought that was a little sad is that my husband reported that I probably supplied 10% of the food collected. In a building of 300+ mostly well paid workers (we are mid level for the building, not counting the executives that get paid 7 figures), you'd expect more people to donate food but I guess not.

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Isn't Food Not Bombs mostly vegan? I think our local one is.

The problem that I see with a vegan/veg centered food bank is that most people don't know how to be vegan/veg and poor. Because it does take planning. Being poor also means not always having the tools you need to cook. Or having the time. Or the energy.

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A client sent us a giant CRATE of stuff from Zabar's (classic NYC place). Chocolate bars, babka, black-n-white cookies, biscotti etc. My boss is really pushing me to take some of it home but yep every single item has eggs in it. Eff you Zabar's. Ooh except there's a pound of ground coffee in there, I can probably have that (the world hasn't started combining eggs and coffee yet, right?)!


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Food banks also are always out of fresh foods. They are supposed to use some of the federal funding they get to buy fresh produce, but often dont. We did a food drive at work and specifically asked for produce plus shelf stable allergy friendly foods (boxed plant milks, olive oil, soy nut butter, etc) bc people with allergies also get screwed when they have to use food pantries. We got zero meat products, it was great.


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(because they bought meat from the farmer's market once so they are above all that, you know, unless they're broke or they're at a restaurant or it's a Tuesday and they are forced to buy the horrible factory farmed meat) and it makes me roll my eyes so hard they almost fall out.


I snickered at this. I know someone who is recently ex-vegan and how I found out was through an IG of a milkshake she got at a fast food joint. Cause yeah, after 5 years of caring about animal welfare, I'm sure that chain totally sources rBGH-free, organic, pasture-fed cows' milk for their $2 milkshakes.

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I too am majorly bummed by thanksgiving.

It is just so depressing that it revolves around the turkey (well, the meal part anyway)


Thanksgiving bums me out a little more every year, which in turn peas me off because it's always been one of my favorite holidays.

I think the big problem with Thanksgiving (for me) is that it's the one time of year I have to directly face the fact that most of the people in my life think something I think is ethically horrific is totally acceptable, and that I am a nut for disagreeing.

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So Dr. Gregor tweeted "Heart disease is a choice" today with a link to info about an ecological study. I'm especially disappointed/frustrated because Dr. Gregor is usually really good about presenting studies in context and without sensationalism.

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I think the big problem with Thanksgiving (for me) is that it's the one time of year I have to directly face the fact that most of the people in my life think something I think is ethically horrific is totally acceptable, and that I am a nut for disagreeing.


yes. this exactly. It gets worse every year.


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