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 Post subject: The Kentucky Derby
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:12 pm 
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Dilemma: My guy wants to take me to the Kentucky Derby. While I am not a fan of horse racing for ethical reasons (he insists that the horses are really well taken care of, but...), I really want to go because fancy dresses and hats. Thoughts?

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Er, are you being serious?

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:17 pm 
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Yes! Please don't yell at me, I really don't know that much about horse racing (googling in another tab right now). It looks like a fun party, minus the whole horse racing bit, but I definitely can't go because of my ethics, obviously.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Ok, yeah, definitely not going. Nevermind.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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I think I'm one of the fringe ppkers that sees good in certain things that others may not but any horse racing would be a no on my list. I'm sure the horses that race are taking good care of during their racing years but what happens to the ones that don't make it? What happens after they can't be bred? A party glorifying racing is not something I could do.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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This article is all I need to read to make my decision not to go.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Yeah, go the opera instead. Fancy dress!

Or, a garden party tea at a fancy hotel some Sunday, then you get the fancy hat too.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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This article is all I need to read to make my decision not to go.


Wow, I read the line that said an average of 24 horses (not hours) die per week in horse racing and I was done. That is insane.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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linanil wrote:
allularpunk wrote:
This article is all I need to read to make my decision not to go.


Wow, I read the line that said an average of 24 hours die per week in horse racing and I was done. That is insane.


Yeah, my stomach hurts after reading this. Ugh.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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My dad lives in Lexington, KY and the derby is a HUGE deal there. I lived there for a while and nobody ever understood why I did not get excited about derby season. I think it personally offended a lot of people that I didn't believe them when they told me the horses were treated like royalty.


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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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have a prissy tea party instead! SILLY HATS REQUIRED.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Yeah. No. Good decision! My husbands family tries to convince me to go the horse racing every year and it's never gonna happen!

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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I live near Saratoga where horse racing is huge and I can honestly tell you that the horses are NOT well taken care of.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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I have a friend that shares the posts about horses that are going to be sold for meat/glue & are often ex racers who had good careers. I know many top racers get excellent care during their careers but its not the norm for them to stay in cushy stables when they retire. It's pretty sad :(

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Moon wrote:
I have a friend that shares the posts about horses that are going to be sold for meat/glue & are often ex racers who had good careers. I know many top racers get excellent care during their careers but its not the norm for them to stay in cushy stables when they retire. It's pretty sad :(

Yeah, I was going to say this. One of the farm sanctuaries has rescued some former race horses that were going to be sold for meat. So even if they are treated well at some point in their life, they end up at a slaughterhouse.

I thought I read somewhere that old race horses also get sold for horse fights in other countries? But I can't find anything about that now so I might be wrong.

Your guy's argument reminds me of the arguments knitters have for using wool (the sheep are treated well), except they don't mention that once they've worn out their usefulness they're sold for meat.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Racehorses are basically set up for unhappy endings from the start by the insanely young ages at which they start them and push them. All thoroughbreds have an "official" birthday of January 1 and begin working under saddle as a standard practice at age two--but if a foal was actually born in the spring then they're not even two years old yet when they have someone hopping on their back and working them in circles. They are BABIES and their joints aren't even done developing. So even the most successful and best treated will have issues down the road that affect their comfort at best and render them "unsuitable" for anything but the kill pen at worst.

I worked with several ex-racers when I was involved with equine rescue and they were all anxious and unsettled to the point of being explosive and dangerous for inexperienced handlers. So the industry takes its mental toll too. To say nothing of the human exploitation involved as well--just like in the meat industry, those with the most dangerous and lowest paying jobs are often recent immigrants and/or minorities.


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have a prissy tea party instead! SILLY HATS REQUIRED.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Racehorses are basically set up for unhappy endings from the start by the insanely young ages at which they start them and push them. ....
I worked with several ex-racers when I was involved with equine rescue and they were all anxious and unsettled to the point of being explosive and dangerous for inexperienced handlers. So the industry takes its mental toll too. To say nothing of the human exploitation involved as well--just like in the meat industry, those with the most dangerous and lowest paying jobs are often recent immigrants and/or minorities.

My first teenage jobs were with racehorses, standard and thoroughbreds, and the NYT article is completely spot on. And equus's points are also spot on. the animals are a commodity no different from beef steers, and the same with the disposable people who are hired to work around them.
Sadly, I didn't really "get it" til I was older and, of all things, got really into sumo wrestling- where only the tippy top of the tippy top get "treated like royalty" or even get to live above poverty conditions. But the sumo wrestlers don't get slaughtered when they wash out, and nobody romanticizes that when they wash out they all get auctioned off for little rich girls' show hunters or Amish rides [which probably happens to .001% of horses]. Not sure why it took me so long to realize that but I suppose we all come to realization on different paths.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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starrynight87 wrote:
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have a prissy tea party instead! SILLY HATS REQUIRED.

PPK tea party!

somebody needs to make this happen.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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I use to protest the track in Berkeley before I moved and enjoyed seeing how poorly the track was doing financially. Hundreds of horses died at that particular track, which was one of the worst in the country. It's a crappy miserable industry that needs to go away.

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Everything's been said already but just wanted to jump in and reiterate that the horses aren't even well taken care of while racing. I'm one of those people who thinks (from a lifetime of working with them) that riding horses is an ethical grey area and that horses can and frequently do enjoy having a job, but racing is a hard no, do not ever support under any circumstances. Racing is inherently abusive and dangerous. Being the pet human of an ex-racehorse for the last 10 years, it's been heartbreaking to watch him and his friends slowly fall apart physically from the time he spent on the track 16 years ago and he's one of the lucky ones.

I will cry tears of joy the day the general public starts to recognise horse racing is a hideous and exploitive industry.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Ugh. I love my job (marketing event specialist) and love the company, but twice a year we have big events at racetracks.

First one is coming up on Thursday. As the events person, I obviously can't get out of it. I have to attend too. I am going to try and spend most of my time at the registration table as FAR away from the track as I can get.

Gonna try and balance it out later this year at one of our charity events...do something for horses.


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It's the Grand National in the UK at the weekend. There was an awful interview with a jockey in the paper today:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/raci ... 56124.html
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“At the end of the day it would be a lot worse if it had been two jockeys who lost their lives."

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"I hope to God there are no accidents this year, but these things happen, and they are horses at the end of the day.”


She claims to love her horses, but at the same time apparently sees them as disposable.

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 Post subject: Re: The Kentucky Derby
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Oh god, the forking Grand National. There's some recurring 'advert' for a teevee programme about it all just now with a bunch of comedians and such on C4. And every damn year one of the women at my work comes round with some sweepstake thing for charity based on betting on the whole thing. And then I feel like I'm made to feel guilty/a cheapskate for not giving £1 to this thing... for charriddeeee!!. And well.

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Yeah. Under no circumstances can I ever imagine uttering the phrase "Molly is just a bird at the end of the day."

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