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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:06 am 
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Thing I have to say too) Someone on facebook talking about a civil war and then moving to Italy. I like that you plan on losing your own civil war, guys.


Italy is even more economically burdened and socialist than their imaginary United States under Obama. Not very smart.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:09 am 
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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:09 am 
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Yeah, all the Repubs who are talking about leaving because 'Merica is dead and socialist and stuff... where do you (realistically) think you're gonna go?!

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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i have been sitting at my desk all day listening with glee at all the (wealthy) senior managers bisque and moan about the election til i heard them talking about how Bush is not to blame for the economic crisis and Obama should have fixed the economy in 2 years.
then it wasnt fun anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:17 am 
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i have been sitting at my desk all day listening with glee at all the (wealthy) senior managers bisque and moan about the election til i heard them talking about how Bush is not to blame for the economic crisis and Obama should have fixed the economy in 2 years.
then it wasnt fun anymore.


Interestingly, I read some articles near the election about Romney stating that his plan to fix the economy would take 8 years. On some news shows some economists were saying that it takes about 10 years to recover from the kind of economic blows the US sustained under Bush. Aside from Romney's hypocrisy on blaming Obama for not having done it in 4 years, when he planned to do it in 8 himself, why should people start over at point zero when we are already 4 years into a route for recovery.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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i have been sitting at my desk all day listening with glee at all the (wealthy) senior managers bisque and moan about the election til i heard them talking about how Bush is not to blame for the economic crisis and Obama should have fixed the economy in 2 years.
then it wasnt fun anymore.


Interestingly, I read some articles near the election about Romney stating that his plan to fix the economy would take 8 years. On some news shows some economists were saying that it takes about 10 years to recover from the kind of economic blows the US sustained under Bush. Aside from Romney's hypocrisy on blaming Obama for not having done it in 4 years, when he planned to do it in 8 himself, why should people start over at point zero when we are already 4 years into a route for recovery.


i think they are being whiny sore losers and grasping at straws.
they are definitely the type of people who think they know absolutely everythign about everything and couldnt possibly be wrong.

have i mentioned lately how much i hate it here?

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:23 am 
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oh and also apparently in 4 years all of us who voted for Obama will be saying what a horrible mistake we made.

cause often people do that regardless of what party they voted for.
i remember tons and tons of republicans saying how horrible bush was.....NOT

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:29 am 
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oh and also apparently in 4 years all of us who voted for Obama will be saying what a horrible mistake we made.

cause often people do that regardless of what party they voted for.
i remember tons and tons of republicans saying how horrible bush was.....NOT


Maybe, but in 2016 I'm sure President Obama will not be virtually invisible at the Democratic convention the way Bush and most everyone from his administration was at Romney's convention.

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Yeah, all the Repubs who are talking about leaving because 'Merica is dead and socialist and stuff... where do you (realistically) think you're gonna go?!

Kenya.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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I would think Iran would be more their speed. Theocratically run, stoning of women, not socialist and no nationwide healthcare.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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Puerto Rican statehood is just part of Obama's plan to steal all elections forever and change our flag to this:

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Say hello to the People's Republic of Obamistan. George W. Bush: the 43rd and last president of The United States of America. I'm going to miss this country.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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I would think Iran would be more their speed. Theocratically run, stoning of women, not socialist and no nationwide healthcare.


Well Obama had the lowest approval rating in Kenya, so figured they would go there.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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Puerto Rican statehood is just part of Obama's plan to steal all elections forever and change our flag to this:

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Say hello to the People's Republic of Obamistan. George W. Bush: the 43rd and last president of The United States of America. I'm going to miss this country.

that's . . . beautiful.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:20 pm 
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It looks like three states are going to legalize gay marriage tonight! I am pleased.


I have goosebumps. I hope this is just the beginning.

Back in February, when the CA district court ruled Prop 8 unconstitutional:

"In an email to P8TT, Jon Davidson, Legal Director of Lambda Legal, had this to say about today’s decision:

I would say that between the Ninth Circuit’s ruling that Prop 8 is unconstitutional, the ruling we obtained yesterday reinstating our New Jersey marriage case, the passage of marriage equality in Washington, the passage of a marriage equality bill through the legislature in New Jersey, and the passage of a marriage equality bill through the Maryland House, this latest victory over DOMA shows that we have passed the tipping point. February 2012 will go down in history as the month marriage equality became unstoppable."

Here's hoping that he was onto something. I do believe that opponents of marriage equality will find themselves on the wrong side of history and that it's just a question of how long it will take. Here's to the snowball effect because no one else should have wait.



Except for NC. I hope we are the last to pass a DOMA amendment, but it still sucks to be that last one.

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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Locally, the proposition to make it harder for people to get pension benefits was crapped out. Yay! The law that city (not state, just city) employees must live within city limits was approved by voters, but still has to go before a board of elected people who talk or something. I'm not sure how I feel about that one, I do think it's shitty for like, police officers who are supposed to protect us to not even live here. Also people who live in a community are more invested in it than ones who just work here. This was actually a law before, it was overturned in 2000.

There are a lot of people who work in my city who would not deign to live here or send their kids to school here, and that peas me off. But some people just want to live out in the country (although obviously you can live in the country and still be in city limits).

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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mumbles wrote:
Puerto Rican statehood is just part of Obama's plan to steal all elections forever and change our flag to this:

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Say hello to the People's Republic of Obamistan. George W. Bush: the 43rd and last president of The United States of America. I'm going to miss this country.



im surprised you have missed the opportunity to refer to Pres Obama as Barack HUSSEIN Obama as many of my super repub fb acquaintances repeatedly do.
let's step it up here ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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I remember Bush v Gore and thinking there was no way anyone could vote for Bush, because he was such a goofball, and then he won (albeit after weeks of legal wrangling). And Bush seems so benign in comparison. On the Daily Show yesterday, a guest was saying that if Romney is elected we could end up in Iran, which means an insanely expensive war, even more so than Iraq.

And how in the name of all that is good and holy did the GOP manage to paint themselves as the party of job growth and the economy after their policies of low tax coupled with high government borrowing and decreased regulation took us from a Clinton-era surplus with a healthy banking system to huge deficits with the international banking system poised to collapse. They ran on that in 2010 and won and did nothing for jobs but enacted a slew of draconian social regulations.

At the same time, I am really annoyed with the Democrats not fighting back against the systemic voter oppression, having Bain owning Diebold, and other injustices that make it so hard for people to vote for them. Yes fine Obama, tell people to stay on line and that waiting for hours is worth it, but at least promise that this pattern of you letting the GOP fork with us is at an end. The GOP is a turn-out machine. They can get their people on the ground, in the booths, pulling levers and back home in very little time. Your problem is that you can't do that.

I thought I read that really Gore won, not just by popular vote (which he did), but also he would've won by electoral vote if the Supreme Court didn't shut down recounting in FL. (Maybe that's just wishful remembering on my part.) However, I think that a lot of voters are fear-based voters and believe the propoganda put out by right-wing nut jobs that Democrats are horrible for the economy, socialists who will make this the new USSR (or France), let terrorists attack us and do nothing in return, encourage abortion (not just think it should be legal, but WANT people to get abortions), will take American's guns away, create death panels to ration health care, etc. People who believe this crepe is why the South is so strongly Republican. If Southerners voted by reality, especially economic reality, then Democrats would still be strong in the South. However, Southerners often vote on abortion, gay rights (which many don't think they should have here), and other social issues. I know that I have family members who always vote Republican (at least at the federal and/or Presidential level) because they believe these things--they also watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh regularly. I agree with you that Democrats could do a better job making the facts known, not just arguing against Republicans. I'm in NC and pretty much all the races in my area went Republican. I received one mailer from the RNC (I guess because I'm unaffiliated) that told me not to vote for a specific Democrat by saying he was backed by a radical liberal groups which (get this), supported saving the whales (it had a big "AGAIN!" next to save the whales), eating vegan, and gay marriage. I know a lot of people in my area were probably scared to death by that mailer, when it just made me want to vote for the guy more. I do find it scary that so many people will vote for George W. Bush or Romney. Bush was a right-wing nutball and Romney was a bad chameleon (not even very good at dodging his beliefs).

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 Post subject: Re: US elections - 2012
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True, the election was such a squeaker, it seems like Obama just barely got a majority, so if Johnson's votes had gone to Romney it might have had Romney win the popular vote (not the EC)

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I can't believe that the GMO food labeling proposition lost here in California. Lost by a HUGE margin.


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the first openly gay senator was elected.

She wasn't the first openly gay senator (didn't Bernie Franks just marry his partner?), what I heard is that she was the first openly gay female senator in Wisconsin--at least I'm thinking that's who you're talking about?

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the first openly gay senator was elected.

She wasn't the first openly gay senator (didn't Bernie Franks just marry his partner?), what I heard is that she was the first openly gay female senator in Wisconsin--at least I'm thinking that's who you're talking about?

Barney Frank was in the house, not the senate.
It's pretty amazing that marriage equality passed in 3 states and a ban was defeated in MN.

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I can't believe that the GMO food labeling proposition lost here in California. Lost by a HUGE margin.

I don't know what happened there, either. What happened CA? Aren't you supposed to be all the organic, liberal types? Then again, CA is the (genetically modified) bread basket, too.

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the big food manufacturers spent like 45 million on advertisement, and the pro-labeling people only had like 6 million or something. there just wasn't enough awareness.

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I can't believe that the GMO food labeling proposition lost here in California. Lost by a HUGE margin.

I don't know what happened there, either. What happened CA? Aren't you supposed to be all the organic, liberal types? Then again, CA is the (genetically modified) bread basket, too.

Given that we failed to legalize marijuana or protect marriage equality, I'd say we're less liberal than people think.

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