Post Punk Kitchen Forum

I guess because going vegan requires such a lengthy explanation of all your ethics and all your feelings and all the alls in the world when someone gives up veganism they feel like it requires the same kind of explanation. I really don't feel like it does, though. I get why people give up veganism. Sometimes when I'm watching someone eat something delicious-looking that's not vegan I don't want to wait around until I can get home and make my own vegan version. Sometimes I want to go to a party and just know I'll have food to eat without bringing it. Sometimes I don't want to cook at night and just want chinese takeout like the people on the tv do. I get why people are tired of it, but I don't get why it's not okay to say "yeah, all the things I said before were true but it was too hard for me, I give up"

i'm pretty sure it's just post hoc rationalization used to ameliorate their own guilt at turning their back on their values for the sake of a flavor. but i'm pretty cynical and unforgiving, and i'm also delirious from meat deficiency.

i think this is it. they are trying to justify it with a bunch of blabbity blah to make themselves feel better for wanting a cheeseburger

Yeah, this is me. Sometimes people have asked me "does (whatever fake meat I'm eating) taste like chicken/beef/whatever" and I've said that I honestly don't know - I really cannot remember anymore. When I have "cravings" it is for types of food, eg. fatty, salty, sweet, overloaded on carbs etc.

Not as far as I know! It just seems like the kind of thing that happens on his blog. I mean, he (mis)used the word 'dialectically' in his analysis (sigh) of The Onion's satirical piece about happy meat.

This is why I feel that AFR is the most important vegan cookbook in print right now. I've recommended it to so many people, and at least 4 have bought copies! These aren't people with an interest in veganism, but they want healthy, easy food and enjoyed my AFR dishes. I can't think of another book that is so immediately accessible. Anybody could pick that book up and cook something tasty the same evening using either pantry ingredients, or simple stuff from a crappy, badly stocked grocery store.

Yeah, this is the case for me too. I get very confused when someone in my house is cooking maple bacon because I love the smell of maple but the bacon smell is gross.

i actually just tried to read the blog post.

i couldnt get past "radical self acceptance" which is in the first paragraph.

then i made the mistake of reading some of the comments.

why did i do that?!?!?!

Never read the comments!

Yeah this is exactly me! It's been nearly 7 years since I've eaten meat, and I really have no recollection of the taste. It has no appeal at all.

Has anyone else read her first book The Great American Detox Diet? Yes, I read the whole thing and then forgot she existed. She proposes magical thinking about food, pushes detoxes, and fear of "toxins." She even pushed her 8 week detox plan when talking about her divorce.

I think that her explanation for not being vegan fits in with her overall world view. I don't care why become vegan but I think that approaching it from a place where certain non-animal sourced food groups are demonized as evil is a recipe for failure.

Is this about devilberries and nazifruit again?

Did you sort of Godwin this thread with fruit?

Good show, Footie. Good show.

This made me think of Heathers - "I made your favorite. Spaghetti. With lots of oregano.." :)

No no, cats taste like kitty litter dust. I crave dog ears/face/neck. So much chewing on my dogs. Especially Tungsten since he's gotten it since he was a puppy. The chumbas are less appreciative of my brand of loving.

Also, LisaPunk, so much twinsies. I'm a total tuna sammich craver.

Never mind all that - why use your kids as an excuse to make unbelievably stupid puns on the same. goddamned. word. FOREVER? I mean, peas make it stop!

I see what you did there.

i just found this post today about "facing failing health on a vegan diet": http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/2013/01/faci ... egan-diet/ it's pretty awesome and i love her approach to healing herself while sticking to her guns.

I didn't really know who this person was. I guess I heard the name around.

Unsurprising. I’m sure the quest for “ultimate health” continues.

Whatever.

Should have just had the sugar. Seriously, eat a cookie, drink a Coke or something.

Er, how long is her epic poetry blog post? (scroll, scroll, scroll.....) okay, I'm done.

Well, thirteen years for Jamieson, that's a decent enough run, all the best to her. With that said, just a reminder to any new vegan recruits.

Only the best, please. Thanks.*


(*Yes, I’m being elitist, sue me. But if the flakes drop out early, they can save themselves the self-inflicted guilt and mysterious deficiencies later on down the line. You’re welcome.)

Paleoreo diet??? That's it!!!!! Thank you

We talked about this in the Parlor.

I remember because I was rebuked for having a different opinion.

But you’re spot on for bringing it up, there’s a lot of common ground with the two bloggers, and I don’t mean that in a nice way.

That post was really, really great. It was long, but definitely worth the read.

When I'm feeling cynical. No, I mean more so than usual. I tend to think that people like us are just genetically predisposed to being vegan. Our genes gravitate towards plant-based eating as a diversification of species survival mechanism. In certain times and climates, those of us who thrive on plants are important to have around. Other times in out evolutionary past, not so much, so that innate behavior gets suppressed by circumstance until it can be expressed by some other progeny during favorable conditions. Then like all clever rationalizing apes, we come up with some gobbledygook to buttress what our genetics already decided.

Same here, its been 22 years, I have no memory of what meat tastes like anymore. I definitely crave sweet, salty, even greasy stuff sometimes though.

You can always count on Ginny Messina to have an amazingly articulate response to shiitake like this: Do Some People Need to Eat Meat?