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no way. DTMFA

I think the real issue is that if someone wakes up and says "I am going to be a vegan from now on" and then they intentionally eat nonvegan trace ingredients, then somewhere along the line, they are lying to themselves. At least, the way you described this particular scenario, it sounded like someone was just saying that they were going to be vegan for the purposes of calling themselves vegan (or whatever reason), finding an excuse to "slip up," and then going back to calling themselves vegan. On the other hand, if a person really does intend, with all their heart and mind and everything, to be vegan for the rest of their life, and they slip up, then that person is still vegan; they are just a vegan who is also human and makes mistakes sometimes.

But again, that's a huge gray area and you can never really tell a person's intent, and the time that I spent thinking about this and typing this up and nursing my poor bleeding brain was probably a waste of time because it's all totally inane anyway.

I don't even think it's about intent. This isn't a courtroom. I mean, you eat plants that were pollinated by bees, and fertilized with animal by-products. That isn't vegan but I don't consider you not vegan. I wouldn't consider some eating non-vegan trace ingredients not vegan. We live in a non-vegan world, we eat non-vegan stuff everyday and do non-vegan things every hour. It doesn't matter if it's printed on a label or not and I think it's silly to apply the rules to some things and not to others. Which is why I repeat that getting caught up in vegan minutiae is ridiculous. I think the more rabid we are about things like that the more likely we are to become rabid ex-vegans. Moral of the story: get a rabies shot.

Isa is wise.

What i'm learning here is that Isa isn't vegan.

People like Isa are welcome at the PPK.

Thanks guys!

::downs isinglass smoothie::

+1 yummy!

Neat! This Irishwoman is off to have a pint of Guinness.

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We don't live in a vegan world, we try our best, we don't put other people down for trying their best. It sucks when the term vegan is bastardised and I will always check for ingredients but if I eat some dahl that unbeknown to be, was cooked with ghee, I'm still going to call myself a vegan and ask for oil next time. I also take some prescription medication that was almost certainly tested on animals, there are many common medications that also contain animal products. Am I still going to call myself a vegan? Yes.

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What you need is something like Catholic confession.

Priest: Are you sorry you ate the fried egg?
Fallen Vegan: Yes.
Priest: Do you promise not to do it again?
Fallen Vegan: Yes.
Priest: Then make two dozen vegan cupcakes and distribute them randomly. Go in peace.

I accidentally ate egg last month. I got vegetarian pad thai no egg, with broccoli. It didn't have broccoli but it was covered in crushed peanuts so I didn't see any egg until I ate half of it. I sighed, flicked out the bigger chunks with my fork, and finished eating it. If I was going to get sick(I only got a little sick), I was already going to get sick, and I already had eaten half. Still vegan! Not resetting my clock!

The waitress did not receive a good tip, though.

Somebody needs to get the subnick "Vegan Until Proven Otherwise" from this thread.

No! I'm not asking! Just trying to be clever for someone else.

Next time someone asks me about where I get my protein, b12 or other thing from, I'm going to say my accidental ingestion of animal products.

Although I thought initially this subject was about saying things like "I'm vegan... oh lookie a cupcake" type thing.

Sometimes, when I'm freeganing, I come across a perfectly good babby or kitty in a dumpster and I hate to have it go to waste. So I eat it.

But that doesn't make me any less vegan, because obviously, I don't spend money on them, and am not supporting the kitty-babby industrial complex.

Very!

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I like this. Especially if the cupcakes are 'randomly distributed' to me.

+1 love this!