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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:35 am 
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I would just dig a large-ish hole (maybe 2-3 times the size you need for your plant) and see if you can't mix the original soil in with some planting/potting soil and compost. If it's really awful then just use a planting mix but try to work some of the original soil in there, as planting and earthworms and all that groovy stuff can help make some of that original soil better. As for rocks, take out the bigger ones and line the bottom of the hole with it. That will help with drainage. If you do this every planting season you'll slowly convert your crappy soil into something more healthy!




I did this, thanks! Here's hoping they stay alive!

Does anyone here use those fabric landscaping tarps? It seems like I'm going to have to eventually pull them out, somewhere down the road. In my reading up about them, it seems like they can become quite a mess if weeds start to grow through the fabric and get tangled/embedded/rip it. Plus I worry about the health of the soil below. Are they worth it? Kinda seems like a lot of work to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:45 am 
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and remember that even clay and dirt that looks crappy can grow stuff. i was heartbroken when I realized saw that the garden in our new house was almost all clay, but there are some things that love it and grow like gangbusters (kale, nappa cabbage, collards), and other surprise winners (lavender and rosemary! who knew they would like orange clay?)

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:12 am 
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no. they're dumb. the only way to keep soil from forming on top of the rocks or rubber mulch you put on top is to be vigilant about leafblowing it clean. otherwise soil forms, and weeds can germinate.

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:01 am 
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The only time i've used the weed stuff is when we built our raised beds because I knew a lot of dirt was going on top, otherwise they're a pain in the asparagus and get really messy. Whoever landscaped this house before we moved in used it in a corner bed and put down a whopping 1/2 inch of mulch on top which means it was pretty much weeds/clover by the time we moved in, I ripped it out last month. It's also along the back of the house with...NOTHING ON TOP. There's some ivy growing but they didn't even put mulch down and the next time I feel the need to Hulk smash something, it's coming out too. It's only being held down by random violets, ivy, and weeds.

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:16 am 
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Can we talk cats again? Something has been digging in my garden for some time now and has dug up a BUNCH of my plants-- and multiple people in my family have now seen our landlords' cat digging back there. (It's so weird. Our landlords are avid gardeners and their cat sure as shiitake doesn't touch their plants. But ours seem to be fair game to him.) If I see him out there, I shoo him, and that's fine, but obviously that's not a long term solution and since he's, you know, a cat, I'm not expecting him to change his own behavior really.

Someone told me to put coffee grounds out, and that doesn't seem to have deterred him. I also tried putting bamboo sticks out because someone said on here that cats don't like sticks like a million years ago. Those also did not deter him at all. Not sure what else to try but I'm kinda at my wits' end with getting a plant going really well only to have it murdered by my friendly cat neighbor.

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:31 pm 
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i use cayenne pepper for cats. it kind of sucks because you have to reapply it after rain and stuff, but it seems to do a pretty good job around here. i just buy a big container of the cheap kind and sprinkle it all over the place. pro tip: don't sprinkle on a windy day. or if, you do, don't stand downwind.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:56 pm 
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My dad has an Elmer Fudd-like relationship with all his neighborhood cats. He uses granulated garlic- but I imagine cayenne works just as well!

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 1:28 pm 
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i have some squirrels that dig up my starts. i've had assorted kales and collards and broccoli on my front step for the past month. the only one who has been bothering them are cabbage worms. now that i've built the beds for them, they went in yesterday. only, i didn't have room for the dinosaur kales in the new bed, so they went in one of the beds from last year. the squirrel pulled up 2 from the new bed, and 8 of 12 dinosaurs!! 6 were utterly destroyed or stolen, leaving me with only 6. :-(

i got hot pepper wax spray at the end of last year, and never thought that i might need it for squirrels, but i think i might. a lot of love went into growing those babies, only to be ripped to shreds.

also, something has been eating my marigolds! i had no idea! i thought nothing ate those. googling says it might be slugs or snails. whodathunk? i have sluggo and beer at the ready.

i wish there was a way for me to explain to the squirrels that i will be happy to pull the oak seedlings out of my garden. (you'd think they'd have gotten the hint already with how many i've pulled out.)

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:18 am 
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when we had cats in the garden we put down chickenwire, apparently they don't like to walk on it.
but you have to do it before your sprouts really grow.

eating marigolds? that's crazy town!

(my kales keep getting eaten by birds. especially the impossible-to-replace seeds like dino or black tuscan. sigh.)

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:18 pm 
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Excited to share that my brown thumb is getting a little greener. Spotted little cukes and squash on my plants today. Excited!


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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:27 pm 
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So I got 2 flowers now on my bean plants. It is progress but I want some veggies now.

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 5:36 pm 
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The cat didn't fork with my plants for like a week so I got cocky and transplanted yet another melon start. (He has dug up every single melon start I've tried so far.) It lasted almost 2 days before he dug it up. Mother forker.

(I haven't tried the cayenne yet but I will before I transplant the next one!)

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:32 am 
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i felt like such a boss this week. i went out to rural land and talked fertilizer with the guys down at the feed store. my brussels sprouts seem to be low on boron and i got myself enough boron/nitrogen to fertilize an area the size of Uruguay.
(then i gracefully thought that a bacon press [really, what the fizzle] was an apple cider press and my impressive country gal disguise fell off and i was embarrassed)

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:16 pm 
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eeeee! my first tomato has flower buds! same with my zucchinis. my melons have had flowers for a few weeks, but i see no pollination.

now that my borage is flowering, maybe they'll come. (they're stunningly blue. love them!)

i'm going to take pictures of my field of kale and post it in the garden porn thread if i have time tomorrow. (it's supposed to rain til noon) i don't remember if i posted here that 2 years ago, my kale went to seed, and i took the seed heads and just threw them on the back wall. well... last year, i got a lot of tiny seedlings, but this year i got so many more!! despite the soil back there being hard and dry. just today i dug some up and transplanted them to my finished compost, since i don't need to empty it out until the fall anyway. might as well grow something in it, and since i don't have anywhere else to grow kale, this is as good a spot as any. they're growing in the grass, they're growing out the side of the compost pile, and fascinatingly of all, they're growing in cracks in the wall. these things are resilient! i guess they don't call them red russian for nothing. :-p

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:34 pm 
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I have White Russian kale growing everywhere from seed! I don't know why I bother to start it from seed myself, since it grows so much better on its own.

I have friends who bought an apartment complex and had the asphalt parking lot removed and put in a garden. They're gradually renting out to more and more vegans, creating a fabulous community. They grow kale as a cover crop over winter and could feed almost the whole city! They also do humanure with a hot compost. Here's a link to some of their garden photos - after only 6 years from parking lot to garden: http://www.kailashecovillage.org/gardens

They did it with lots of site-generated compost and tons and tons of free wood chips from local tree pruning companies. The chips, composted in place average 1-2' deep.

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:24 pm 
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that's so awesome! (and is that 1-2 FEET of wood chips?)

it makes sense that your reseeded kale does better than stuff started inside, since not only do they sprout when they're ready, and have more sunlight than they would have in the house, but they've adapted to your soil and particular microclimate.

also, winter sowing apparently does wonders for your little plants. http://www.wintersown.org/wseo1/FAQs.html

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:22 am 
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i find that the only way i can get chard to grow is through reseeding and "lost" seeds (they don't grow in the seed tray, i dump it, and then the seeds sprout the next season. go figure). Same with the russian kale. They really don't want to grow in the trays.

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:30 am 
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I'm trying to grow things in pots in the communal garden but they constantly get knocked over and killed by my upstairs neighbour's unsupervised and rarely-exercised dog. I feel sorry for the dog but after just getting back home following a week away to find nearly everything I've planted dead I'm feeling pretty cross.

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earth boxes, perhaps?

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 Post subject: Re: Garden Chat
PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:07 am 
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Thanks to getting a small sum back from the taxman this morning I have ordered a ton of gravel and I am hopefully going to get a new lawnmower today. Also, going to get a saw to cut down the sad excuse of hedging that was planted a few years ago that failed to grow.

Oh the excitement! My super muddy, overgrown garden has been the bane of my existence and the root of a lot of stress in my life. I can't wait to get it somewhat usable especially since Lexi loves being outside.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:59 am 
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My white beans plants have grown enormously and are about a meter longer than the bean poles. Is it bad if I leave them there hanging from the top of the poles with nothing to climb on? Or should I cut them to the size of the pole? Getting longer poles isn't really feasible.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:06 pm 
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i've never grown pole beans before, but i don't see anything bad with cutting them back. if anything, it'd encourage side branching, so more places to flower/fruit. (although i think i might be introduced to it this year, cause some of my beans look viney. if i had known, i would have placed those in a different spot. whoops!)

i picked 6 boysenberries yesterday, and 7 today!!! so excited! it's happening! wheeeee! they're delicious!

one of my plum trees is exuding a clear jelly from it's trunk. *fingers crossed that it's nothing major*

i picked 1 blueberry yesterday. it was tasty. then i heard birds flapping away when i later let sadie out, and saw that one of the almost ripe berries was gone. :-( i ordered some predator eye things. they should come either today or tomorrow. if these things weren't up against a fence, it might be easier to put bird netting up, but it was a pain in the butt when we attempted it a few years ago.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:19 pm 
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I got the lawnmower and forgot to get a saw. I'm very proud to say I have cut the grass in the front yard (badly) and I cut the shortest of the grass in the back yard. When I get the strimmer working I will get the rest of the back trimmed down. I'm so proud that I am getting some what organised about the garden.

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Thanks supercarrot!

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Has anyone put up a greenhouse? Anything I should be wary of?

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