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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:58 pm 
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we were planning on pulling out a lot of our summer veggies that are done and starting our fall garden this weekend. we were gonna do it last weekend but a little hurricane thingy delayed us :-P

being complete and utter gardening newbs we realized just recently that maybe the reason our carrots and beets that we direct sow suck really bad is because they like the colder weather so we will try (again) carrots and beets.
i want to do more kale which ROCKED all summer but i have to see if i can find it.

more snap peas (YUM!) maybe soem beans and of course garlic. im going to try and use some of the garlic that i just harvested as seedlings. i also have some new garlic on order from burpee i think.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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I'm just going to try kale, I think. I got some advice from the a farmer at the market today to just scatter a lot of seeds, and thin the ones that grow. Kosher?

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That's fine, Isa. If you want to be conservative with your seeds, you can always make seed tape: take a length of TP or paper towel, space the seeds apart and fold the paper towel or TP in half. Dig a little shallow trench in your garden, lay the "tape" out and get it wet. Cover it with a quarter to half an inch of soil.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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we planted our second season garden yesterday but we think we are 2-3 weeks late for our area.
looking on the seed packets i still have alot of the "days til harvest" projections are after what is generally the first frost.

we also couldnt find seeds to buy anywhere.

we planted carrot seeds, lettuce, and i am doing an experiment. i planted one row of snap seeds from a seed packet and another row from seeds i dried from our spring/early summer harvest of peas.

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IsaChandra wrote:
I'm just going to try kale, I think. I got some advice from the a farmer at the market today to just scatter a lot of seeds, and thin the ones that grow. Kosher?


I did that with every single thing I planted for my fall garden and it is working out great so far. Big colorful mess!

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I have some fall garden questions for the experts here!

Can you grow kale and other greens in 100% shade? My apartment balcony faces north and is under trees so I don't get any sun from Sept-April.

Can you start "pony packs" of greens and then transplant them later? I only have one planter and it's got my tomatoes, which will probably be fruiting until late October. Or can you grow greens in smaller pots - do they need a lot of space for the roots?

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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I have some fall garden questions for the experts here!

Can you grow kale and other greens in 100% shade? My apartment balcony faces north and is under trees so I don't get any sun from Sept-April.

Can you start "pony packs" of greens and then transplant them later? I only have one planter and it's got my tomatoes, which will probably be fruiting until late October. Or can you grow greens in smaller pots - do they need a lot of space for the roots?


I'm no expert, but I did grow kale and some other greens on my north-facing balcony this spring - I just drilled holes in the bottom of a plastic storage tub for a makeshift planter and put lettuce and kale in that. I started it in trays under lights because otherwise I would have never had enough sun to get it going.

I never got my kale very big because of the lack of sun, but it did grow. So I ended up transplanting them into the tub pretty close together, and harvesting the leaves fairly small, but I still had a fair amount because I planted a lot. I did get a small window of dappled sun just as the sun was setting, for an hour or so. Maybe some of the people who actually know things will give better advice, but it did work. I had radishes too, but they didn't develop super well, but my lettuce was great (also planted it pretty close and harvested it pretty small) and most of my herbs did ok, most surprisingly the basil, which was huge.


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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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Radish has a point. Plants like light, and while kale is cold tolerant, it still needs light. Is there a way you can incorporate supplemental lighting? Any bit will help. Vegetative plants like greens and herbs need at the very least 8 hours of light-(doesn't have to be direct). You can bump up the lumens with a simple shop light.

http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=ESL104

If the plant isn't getting any light at all, it will probably not work. If by some miracle it does work, you will not have much growth. Get a shop light.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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Thank you for the advice!

I do have a fluorescent lamp that I was using to help along my tomatoes. I can break it out again, I just felt kind of guilty using electricity to grow plants outside. I think I will give it a shot.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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I finally got some kale planted!

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I've justed planted lettuce, radish, beans, spinach, Brussel sprouts, leeks and brocolli.
My tomatoes are still going well and after cutting them back new shoots have started so hopefully we'll get tomatoes right the way through 'til December. Our winters here are really mild.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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I'm harvesting some arugula today! I have to thin them out.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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Well, my summer garden is mostly gone, and much of the winter garden too - plus all the greens I was letting go to seed for next summer! Drat those deer - I don't mind sharing, but my garden is stripped. They pulled down the poles supporting pole beans to get them all, ate my strawberry plants down to the ground and most everything else too. Our fencing is makeshift, and by necessity threads through dense and prickly hedgerows, so we haven't found all the weak spots they've found or crashed their way through yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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Aw that stinks, is there still time to maybe get more greens in?

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IsaChandra wrote:
Aw that stinks, is there still time to maybe get more greens in?

I have a few small trays that I hadn't planted yet, but I need to wait until we can get the fencing figured out before replanting or seeding. It's mainly the loss of ripening seedheads that is disappointing, as I find that things that sow themselves tend to do a lot better than ones I purposely plant! I'm edging into a more permaculture type of planting for all my assorted greens.

This year the most exciting planting in my garden was quinoa that I grew for greens, plus their immature seedheads that were yummy when braised. I got tremendous, and quick, multiple harvests from them.

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I planted my fall garden yesterday. "Fall" when it's going to be 100 degrees again today. Kale, various lettuces, carrots, broccoli, broccoli raab, collards, and lima beans. It's later than you're supposed to plant lima beans, but, well, it's still 100 degrees.

I tried the seed tape thing, but it was too windy. I might try the glue version next time.


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paprikapapaya wrote:
I'm so new to gardening, I didn't even know you could HAVE a fall garden until I read this! Must do research.


Yeah I want to garden but it is so overwhelming I don't know where to start! Even when I try and read a book about it I am left feeling even more overwhelmed. Plus I only have a tiny garden and would have to put everything in containers.


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 Post subject: Re: Have you started your fall garden yet?
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Don't get overwhelmed! Just start small. Containers are great for this. A great way to start gardening is to grow expensive things first, like herbs. Store bought herbs are horribly expensive here in the US, at least in my neck of the woods. Lettuce, kale, chard, and all other leafy greens are relatively easy.

The nice thing about starting small is you can work up from there--once you become more confident you can expand to root veggies which are great for containers.

Molly-100 degrees? Sheesh. We're into Fall now up here in Hoosierland.

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Molly-100 degrees? Sheesh. We're into Fall now up here in Hoosierland.

I think fall is a myth. It's normally just in the upper 80s/lower 90s this time of year. I'm hoping this means we won't get any freezes this year and I can grow tomatoes into December.


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I'm jealous, MJ. I am going to try to keep a plant alive under grow lights this winter and acquire as many tomatoes as possible. We also have a few specialty breeds in the greenhouse at work that make gorgeous little Brandywine looking tomatoes.

I have arugula up the wazoo and my onions are doing awesome.

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Molly-100 degrees? Sheesh. We're into Fall now up here in Hoosierland.

I think fall is a myth. It's normally just in the upper 80s/lower 90s this time of year. I'm hoping this means we won't get any freezes this year and I can grow tomatoes into December.


Let's see who can keep their tomato plants alive the longest!

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jessica wrote:
mollyjade wrote:
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Molly-100 degrees? Sheesh. We're into Fall now up here in Hoosierland.

I think fall is a myth. It's normally just in the upper 80s/lower 90s this time of year. I'm hoping this means we won't get any freezes this year and I can grow tomatoes into December.


Let's see who can keep their tomato plants alive the longest!

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Note that you might have a small advantage. So far in three years I've successfully grown about eight cherry tomatoes. And not for lack of trying.


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What do you feed your tomatoes, Molly?

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