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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:31 pm 
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mods, feel free to edit the spoilartasm out of the subject and hide my posts behind tags, but i figured this would be better, since people are already posting their generic mentions of prometheus in the movie log thread.


aaaanyway. i liked it. i don't think it was too out there, or a snorefest.

i was, however, confused as to why the proto-human with the face hugger died on the floor. is he a second that woke up? because in alien, he died in his captain's chair. if he was the only one, they could have easily had him staggering back to the seat after he was implanted. did we see the chair when lisbeth (see what i did there?) went back to collect the synthetic human? (david was it?)

and why did they assume the canisters were destined for earth? (is that what the trajectory visions were pointing to? an attempted launch to earth? it could have also easily been an old transmission, and these canisters were actually meant to be exiled on an inhospitable planet. it makes no sense that they would try to kill life on earth with a DNA recombiner that they knew was unpredictable and dangerous.

as for why *alien* doesn't look human, nor reproduces like humans, it's way more likely that they were recombined from DNA of a parasite in dr. boyfriend's stomach. proto-human superdad drank a good 4-8 oz of the stuff. dr. boyfriend just had a drop.

i also think it's funny that lisbeth didn't understand why proto-human might want to kill their creations (when she herself tried to kill her boyfriend's creation.)

also, with all this evolution enhancer on the planet, why is there not more life when the terraformers arrive? does *alien* just parasitize everything?

i know, all my comments are negatives, but i really did like the story and the explanation. my negatives are all superficial and minor. i'll be looking forward to the director's cut.

p.s. this totally explains lobsters.

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 Post subject: Re: prometheus - spoilartastic thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:07 pm 
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I liked it, too!

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i was, however, confused as to why the proto-human with the face hugger died on the floor. is he a second that woke up? because in alien, he died in his captain's chair.

I'm not sure about this, but I don't think the one they find in Alien is the same one we see at the end of Prometheus.

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and why did they assume the canisters were destined for earth? (is that what the trajectory visions were pointing to? an attempted launch to earth?

Yes - that's the impression I got anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:15 pm 
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The film is set on LV223, rather than LV247 where Ripley's crew find the Space Jockey amongst a desolate landscape.

In Prometheus it's mentioned that the planet seems to be a bioweapon facility, so it's seems likely that a different Engineer ship crashed on LV247 after the Space Jockey's chestburster made an appearance.

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ohhhhh! ok. the way the ship landed looked like the same configuration of the ship ripley's crew found. (now that makes sense why ripley's crew nor the terraformers also hadn't found the giant mound buildings either.)

(but then who woke up the other proto-human that escaped [not alone] on the other ship? chestburster numero uno? seems unlikely.)

::edit:: oh, i suppose it could have been a ship that came in from their homeworld. i didn't think about that.

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I vaguely recall David saying that there were several of the ships there, so it's feasible that one could have left before the other Engineers' heads exploded.

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My favorite part of the movie was when the entire audience started screaming when the biologist was attacked.

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we saw it this past friday (i loved it, but man - it was really intense and kinda depressing) and i kept wondering as Lisbeth & David flew off to find the rest of the engineers, "did they bring anything to eat along with them?"

that's how my brain works. i'm always worried about food. ha!


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this was interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-ryan ... 86574.html

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I liked this comment on the article:
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The black goo is the fire Prometheus stole from the Gods. Used properly it can create an entire planet worth of life, like the first scene depicts on an early Earth. It also has the power to destroy life or have life destroy itself. Put it into the hands of beings that have no clue what it is: chaos. The key to the entire move is the fact that the Engineers are, genetically, identical to ourselves. God didn't create man in his own image, God and man are the same. The question we're asking about the Engineers intent are the same questions we're asking about the crew of Prometheus intent. Why did the Engineers create us? The same reason the humans created David: because they could. Why did the Engineers want to destroy us? Because their experiment didn't go the way they wanted. When David would make comments that unnerved the rest of the crew they made sure to reaffirm the fact that David is a creation and couldn't possibly understand what they feeling. The Engineer that awoke felt the same way when humans started asking him question like they were his equal and it was driven home when David started speaking to him in his native tongue. He probably never imagined one of their creations reaching the point of being an equal and he had to remind them that they were not.

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we saw it this past friday (i loved it, but man - it was really intense and kinda depressing) and i kept wondering as Lisbeth & David flew off to find the rest of the engineers, "did they bring anything to eat along with them?"

that's how my brain works. i'm always worried about food. ha!


Didn't she throw a load of Pot Noodles and Luna bars into a bag when she got into the little rescue ship, before she found her cephalopod baby?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:29 pm 
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yeah, i saw her grab a bunch of cans of something.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:37 pm 
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character development was quite weak and the characters acted sort of stupidly which I found annoying...hey Im just going to go up to this new snake like species and pet it because Im some top level scientist...duuurrrr

also thew "run from the sandstorm" and an unnecessary sequence and a bit too typical "action for actions sake because thew audience are morons"

also I sort of thought of the beginning sequence as how life started on earth in the "primordial ooze" sort of thing. That Superdad guy drank the liquid that shattered his dna and then reformed it after he fell into the water

anyways, I give it a 3 out of 5 as I found the first half of the movie very good...second half...not so much

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This was one of my most disappointing movie experiences in a long time. Booo!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:39 pm 
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I only went because I like my husband, but I hate the theater in general, so I may have been destined for negativity. Oh, and I'm almost always irritated when movies do the whole religious thing. I get it but meh.

Also, why did robot dude put goo or whatever in other dude's drink? At that point I was too distracted by the stranger beside of me going "whaaaaaaat!" every time something really predictable happened. Not to be confused with him frantically waving and shouting directions at scenes where people were running. But I'm sure there was a good reason for it but I don't know whaaaaaaaat! it was. Unless his robot brain calculated how it would all play out...Is that it?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:08 pm 
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dr. boyfriend wasn't very nice to him. (i also think david was pretty much obsessed with lisbeth)
he was also obsessed with the science, and he wanted to find a way to make mr weyland live forever. it was an experiment, and dr. boyfriend was the lab rat.

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we saw it this past friday (i loved it, but man - it was really intense and kinda depressing) and i kept wondering as Lisbeth & David flew off to find the rest of the engineers, "did they bring anything to eat along with them?"

that's how my brain works. i'm always worried about food. ha!


Didn't she throw a load of Pot Noodles and Luna bars into a bag when she got into the little rescue ship, before she found her cephalopod baby?


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yeah, i saw her grab a bunch of cans of something.


ah yes, i thought she did - but then i kept thinking she took it with her to the rescue ship but didn't take it with her when she grabbed David and was going to the other engineer spacecraft. i can't remember. this just means i'll have to see it again this weekend. :)


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I thought it was meh. Couldn't get into it. Noomi's English didn't help, it was all over the place.

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we saw it this past friday (i loved it, but man - it was really intense and kinda depressing) and i kept wondering as Lisbeth & David flew off to find the rest of the engineers, "did they bring anything to eat along with them?"

that's how my brain works. i'm always worried about food. ha!


I thought exactly the same thing!

b.vicious, that's an interesting comment you quoted. I was all like 'what the hell did Fassbender say that pissed the Engineer off so badly?'.

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This was one of my most disappointing movie experiences in a long time. Booo!


Yep, pretty much. I just didn't get on with it.

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I think David was curious/mischievous/had his own (programmed? see my link above) intentions going into the mission.

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The film is set on LV223, rather than LV247 where Ripley's crew find the Space Jockey amongst a desolate landscape.

In Prometheus it's mentioned that the planet seems to be a bioweapon facility, so it's seems likely that a different Engineer ship crashed on LV247 after the Space Jockey's chestburster made an appearance.

Really? I took the position of the crashed engineer ship and the ringed planet we see on the horizon at the end as reaffirmation the two planets were one in the same. Also, didn't Charlize Theron crash in an excape pod? I thought that might be the distress call that pulled in the Nostromo in Alien. And is it not possible that Weyland Corp renamed the planet in order to cover up what happened there? After all, in all the films the corporation pretty much seems to have a monopoly on all things regarding space travel. They can do whatever the hell they want.

Anyways, I just saw it last night and I loved it. It really felt a lot like Ridley Scotts universe he created in the first film. One thing that kind of irked me though is that the chestbuster was full grown xenomorph, rather than the chestburster we're used to seeing.

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i think the chestbursters adapt to the organism they're parasitizing. because humans are much smaller, their chestbursters will be smaller. (also, did you see the size of the facehugger it came from? it's only natural that the chestburster would be larger.)

also, ripley was able to determine (all too late) that the beacon was a warning. i think they heard the message that lisbeth recorded at the end. (although it could also have been a warning recorded by the theoretical other proto-human that crashed in his pilot seat. that's more likely, because if the warning was made in english, why would it have taken ripley so long to decipher it?)

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i think the chestbursters adapt to the organism they're parasitizing. because humans are much smaller, their chestbursters will be smaller. (also, did you see the size of the facehugger it came from? it's only natural that the chestburster would be larger.)


But the Prometheans (or whatever, the giant whitey-whites) are, however insane and improbably, 100% genetic matches with humans. One would think therefore that the resulting xenomorphs would also be a 100% match. Perhaps.

My fave takedown of the "science!" in this movie was someone who brought up that chimps are 99% genetic matches with humans. So what does that mean for the giant whitey-whites? They designed chimps to be 99% genetic matches because? Or something?

I did not like this movie.

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i don't think they actively designed any of us. they put superdad on top of the waterfall with a canister, and let crepe happen.

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you're right. the ship in the beginning didn't look like the other ships. maybe he was exiled. maybe he escaped, and that was his only way to avoid torture.

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