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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:27 am 
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I was kind of surprised that Don was so harsh! Not merciless, but a bit harsh considering that he's had to do lots of unkosher things to get by.

I wish there were a little Peggy this ep but I understand why there wasn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:07 am 
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As horrific as it was, you have to admit his first attempt with the Jag was perfect.

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As horrific as it was, you have to admit his first attempt with the Jag was perfect.
It was - I admit that I laughed. It made me think of the scene in White Teeth when Archie tries to commit suicide, and takes his failure as a sign that he's meant to live; I was hoping that something similar might happen to Lane.

I guess I feel like Don was merciless because he himself has been given more than his share of second chances (remember how his whole "stolen identity" caper cost them that big account, and how Pete took the rap?), but refused to do the same for someone who'd done so much for the firm. He had to know how catastrophic losing his visa would be for Lane (making it pretty impossible for him to "start over"). And from a purely practical, cynical standpoint, t would have looked a lot less fishy if he'd just made up some bullshiitake story for Cooper about the $8K, repaid the company, and taken it out of Lane's hide (or salary). Or at least given him a few months to craft a plausible exit plan. It was pretty unlikely he would just randomly resign at this juncture, after being made head of the fiscal control commission; clients would have smelled a rat. And now there will be a giant mess, unless the other partners can somehow get it declared an accident, which I suppose we shouldn't put past them. And again: this is the second man Don has driven to hang himself, which can't (or shouldn't) feel too good.

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:09 am 
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I don't think Don was merciless. He could have called the police and had Lane arrested. He offered Lane the chance to save face. Lane just didn't have the capacity Don would have had in such a situation. I even wondered if Don, when speaking crossly with Roger about bonuses and client sizes, was hoping that Roger would agree to bonuses so Lane's situation could be ironed out.

So does the resignation letter mean he'll lose out on that insurance money? Or will the partners "lose" the letter?


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:40 am 
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celyn wrote:
I don't think Don was merciless. He could have called the police and had Lane arrested. He offered Lane the chance to save face. Lane just didn't have the capacity Don would have had in such a situation. I even wondered if Don, when speaking crossly with Roger about bonuses and client sizes, was hoping that Roger would agree to bonuses so Lane's situation could be ironed out.

So does the resignation letter mean he'll lose out on that insurance money? Or will the partners "lose" the letter?
Yowza. Good question!

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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Oh my god. This was brutal. Lane was amazing in this episode, but he broke my heart. I can't believe Don couldn't see past the act and hear Lane and the reasons or intention behind the embezzlement. I know, after it's all said and done, it's still embezzlement and Don would never trust him again, but if this was the only time I think he should have seen past it. Especially considering everything he's had to do - the unsavory decisions that disgusted him - to be where he is.

The scene in the office when Joan tells the other guys that there's something wrong in Lane's office...it had my heart racing. It seemed so genuine.


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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I've been kind of sad all day because of this. Jared Harris better win an Emmy for that shiitake.


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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elouise wrote:
I've been kind of sad all day because of this. Jared Harris better win an Emmy for that shiitake.


Yeah, Thomas and I were totally silent toward the end of the episode. I knew when the car didn't work that he wouldn't stop trying - it was going to happen.

Did anyone feel proud of Pete for cutting him down? I felt like he did something good there. Don and Roger have seen war, but Pete was the last person I expected to help cut Lane off the noose. Though I'm waiting for him to do something disgusting in the wake of the death. But for a moment I felt good about his character. Like they were all doing the right thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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elouise wrote:
I've been kind of sad all day because of this. Jared Harris better win an Emmy for that shiitake.


Yeah, Thomas and I were totally silent toward the end of the episode. I knew when the car didn't work that he wouldn't stop trying - it was going to happen.

Did anyone feel proud of Pete for cutting him down? I felt like he did something good there. Don and Roger have seen war, but Pete was the last person I expected to help cut Lane off the noose. Though I'm waiting for him to do something disgusting in the wake of the death. But for a moment I felt good about his character. Like they were all doing the right thing.



I've been super morose all day too, which I suppose is a credit to the writers of the show. I wasn't the hugest fan of Lane or his storylines, but this was an incredibly intense episode. I can't wait to see what happens next week.

Also - so much Ken Cosgrove love over here - his line to Roger about having seen what was required to become partner was great, as was the way he hugged Joan after they looked over the office wall and saw Lane.

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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elouise wrote:
I've been kind of sad all day because of this. Jared Harris better win an Emmy for that shiitake.


Yeah, Thomas and I were totally silent toward the end of the episode. I knew when the car didn't work that he wouldn't stop trying - it was going to happen.
I felt really sad thinking about it today, too - not just because Jared Harris is such a good actor, and will leave a real hole in the show, but because I'd become very fond of his character. We often rewatch episodes later in the week to catch stuff we missed the first time, but I don't think I have the heart to sit through that again.

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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Desdemona wrote:
pickledtreats wrote:
elouise wrote:
I've been kind of sad all day because of this. Jared Harris better win an Emmy for that shiitake.


Yeah, Thomas and I were totally silent toward the end of the episode. I knew when the car didn't work that he wouldn't stop trying - it was going to happen.
I felt really sad thinking about it today, too - not just because Jared Harris is such a good actor, and will leave a real hole in the show, but because I'd become very fond of his character. We often rewatch episodes later in the week to catch stuff we missed the first time, but I don't think I have the heart to sit through that again.


It was pretty heartbreaking to see how proud his wife was of his achievements and the irony that an embezzeler would be named to the financial committee of a business group. It was all just too much.

I was really frustrated that Don didn't involve the partners in his decision to ask for Lane's resignation. Doesn't that seem like something you would bring the partners in on?

Though I think this opens the door for Joan to become the manager of financial stuff at the firm.


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:55 pm 
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Man, I really thought after the car suicide didn't work out that he would stop trying. I just keep thinking about his wife being so happy and buying him the car... and the fact that I'm still thinking about an episode of a tv show a day later is something. I liked Lane. He was flawed, but he was funny and kind and I felt like often, he tried to do the right thing, even if he did it the wrong way. And I have a lady boner for Brit guys, so what.

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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Truthfully, Lane was probably my favorite male character on the show. He was so sweet and repressed and funny and quietly beaten down by life.

Also, remember when he punched out Pete? #neverforget


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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why did Lane break his glasses in the Jag?


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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and the museum geek in me just freaked out - Sally's boyfriend "Are you kidding me? The museums just across the park." yes!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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Though I think this opens the door for Joan to become the manager of financial stuff at the firm.

Such a good point!

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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and the museum geek in me just freaked out - Sally's boyfriend "Are you kidding me? The museums just across the park." yes!!!


The more Glen shows up the more I love him. Initially I was creeped out by him, but I think he's hilarious. His affectless jokes are awesome. "Want some caribou?"


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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I got to work this morning and the first thing my co-worker said to me was, "I watched Mad Men where the guy hanged himself!"

Um, thanks for that. I hadn't watched the episode yet, jerkface.

Anyway, even though it wasn't a surprise by the time I saw it, it still made me super sad. It looked like they weren't going to make us see the body... and then they did. How awful.


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why did Lane break his glasses in the Jag?


I thought he did that so maybe he wouldn't be able to see to try and save himself. Or just as an act of self abuse. I remember when his father hit him with the cane and his glasses fell off.


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this episode was perfect. I am so psyched for the finale!


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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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why did Lane break his glasses in the Jag?
He (thought that he) didn't need them anymore.

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why did Lane break his glasses in the Jag?
He (thought that he) didn't need them anymore.

Not to be morbid, but is this a common occurrence in suicides? I kind of didn't understand it, either. I mean, if he didn't feel like he needed his glasses anymore, he could have continued in the same vein and removed his clothing, too. Though I suppose this point is proven when he reluctantly holds up half a pair of glasses to his face to try and fix the car situation.


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It is pretty common to rid yourself of stuff like that before a suicide attempt, yes. Someone I know tried to kill himself and immediately prior he deleted all the contacts from his cell phone. Seems totally illogical - why would you care, if you're going to be dead? - but it's a pretty common warning signal.


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yeah, i thought it was a way to keep himself from saving himself if he had a change of heart.

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the fact that I'm still thinking about an episode of a tv show a day later is something.

Me too. That last little attempt of Lane to flirt with Joan was so depressing.

Do you guys really think Don has blood on his hands? I thought he handled it pretty reasonably, and it was good of him to take the blame from Cooper for the cheque. Maybe I missed something.

Also, Sally getting her period was almost identical to a much younger me getting my period. I remember the horror!


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