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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:44 am 
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So if I'm reading correctly, everyone who dies on that property doesn't get literally resurrected albeit in a non-decaying state (which is how I've been assuming it to be), their dead bodies just stay put and their spirits are physically manifested in a NEW body that is identical to the one they died in plus bonus instant disappearing action? But the new magical ghost body ages as though it were the old buried one, which is why Moira appears to be mom-on-Six-Feet-Under age to Vivien/Mrs. Coach, et al? And Ben alone can see ghosts as they looked when they died, which is why Moira is young again when he looks at her? Now I have to reassess everything with this new knowledge!

they're ghosts. i think they can look however they want. someone (maybe constance?) mentioned that moira appears to people as they want to see her, i.e. a sexy french maid for ben and a wholesome looking older lady for viv.


I agree with the idea that the spirits looks however they wish. Tate's victims look how they did upon being killed complete with the wounds to show for it while Tate himself seems to be a version of himself separated (seemingly pre) the events that occurred in the episode's opening. Theoretically, they would all be 34 by now and they don't look like middle aged adults. Moira seems to be the only anomaly in that her variance in appearance seems to be more metaphorical in terms of lust/trust depending on the viewer.


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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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Isn't it possible that Moira is actually still alive and that is how old she is? Like a half-ghost?

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Didn't Constance say something along the lines of "Don't make me kill you again" to Moira? I assumed that made for a dead Moira. But I guess it could also have been Constance saying: "I tried to kill you once and, damnit, I'll do it again!"


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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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when the grave was being dug for the girl that the dude got preggers we saw moira's body in the pit. remember how moira was staring out the window while they were digging? then, when the other girl was thrown on top and it was being filled back in, and the gazebo was concrete was being poured constance said something like "now you'll never be free".

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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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Ooh, I must have been PPKing at the time!

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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:29 am 
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This show is awesome. Even though they're characters, I love the fact that Jessica Lange called Frances Conroy a "stupid slut."

Tate is also my favorite character. I dunno. My heart breaks for him. I want to know why he did it already.

Oh, and last week's episode scarred me. Now I have Piggy Man added to my list of things that scare the shiitake outta me.

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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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The Constance/Moira scenes are pretty amazing. I think what's really great about them is that they seem so realistic given the situation. It's eerie.

I have this feeling that Tate isn't who we think he is. Here's my crazy theory: they've made a big deal out of the fact that Violet is a virgin. I think that he's just trying to be charming and have her sympathize with him, so that she'll sleep with him. He couldn't have her sleep with him on the beach, because it needs to be in the house. The house requires it or something. But if this crazy theory doesn't happen, then I still think that there's something to what Addie said about being afraid of him. I could totally see him going absolutely psycho this season or having the devil in him or whatever.

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of the whole Persian/Armenian discussion. It just kept coming up. Why? All it made me think about are the Armenians I used to work with (it was an Armenian family business) who talked about being Armenian all day long and told everyone that they were Armenian who walked into our shop. So maybe that's common and it's a jab at that. Or one of the writers is Armenian and has to put up with no one getting that he's Armenian. Please note, Armenian last names end in ian or variants of that.

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We find out who the rubber man is, how he came to be, what his goal is, and what Viv is pregnant with. The rubber man is linked to the previous couple who lived in the house.
Source: http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/11/16/american-horror-story-ryan-murphy-open-house-exclusive/
So my theory is that Chad and Patrick had a threesome that went wrong or the ghosts killed the guy. Or Patrick was having an affair with RM inside the house.
Also, if you haven't seen the preview for next week, it looks like Violet's virginity might not be an issue for much longer.


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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:58 am 
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This show is awesome. Even though they're characters, I love the fact that Jessica Lange called Frances Conroy a "stupid slut."

Tate is also my favorite character. I dunno. My heart breaks for him. I want to know why he did it already.


same! i love, love this show. i want to find out more about tate too because he and violet are my favorites. i didn't actually think he'd be in last nights episode as much as he was, but there's so many mysteries about everyone!

there seemed to be so much more information and new characters last night that it made me think addie was going to turn up too.


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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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I really want to know if ghosts can actually disappear for good. Is the talk about accepting one's death or having people know how you died, which then allows you to cross over, true?


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now i'm wondering if violet is in fact dead since tate said something about her being "evolved" now and that's why she's seeing more of the ghosts.

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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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same! i love, love this show. i want to find out more about tate too because he and violet are my favorites. i didn't actually think he'd be in last nights episode as much as he was, but there's so many mysteries about everyone!

there seemed to be so much more information and new characters last night that it made me think addie was going to turn up too.

Violate is my fave too. Ryan Murphy says we'll find out EVERYTHING about Tate soon.

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I think I heard that Addie is never coming back, but I really hope she is.

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now i'm wondering if violet is in fact dead since tate said something about her being "evolved" now and that's why she's seeing more of the ghosts.

Yeah, I'm wondering too or if they're just trying to make us think she is. I was thinking that she wasn't since Moira brought the developer into Violet's room and she wasn't there, BUT we know that ghosts can disappear and reappear. Constance made that comment last ep about how Violet was transitioning. That was creepy. Have her try to leave the house, so we'll know!


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What I got from the evolved comment was that she finally sees the truth. She knows Tate and those other kids are ghosts.

I really forking hope she did die, though! That would seriously blow my mind, and I'd tip my hat off to the writers for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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Have her try to leave the house, so we'll know!


ghosts can leave the house though – remember when tate met the dad for coffee? (that's assuming that tate is a ghost)

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Now there is that son in the attic. I wonder if they will share more about him in future episodes.

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 Post subject: Re: American Horror Story
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Have her try to leave the house, so we'll know!


ghosts can leave the house though – remember when tate met the dad for coffee? (that's assuming that tate is a ghost)

Wasn't that during the Halloween episode? They can leave on Halloween.

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mixmaster_mo wrote:
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Have her try to leave the house, so we'll know!


ghosts can leave the house though – remember when tate met the dad for coffee? (that's assuming that tate is a ghost)

Wasn't that during the Halloween episode? They can leave on Halloween.

yeah it was halloween. it was also halloween when tate and violet went to the... beach? wherever they went when the dead kids showed up. i never did figure out exactly where they were.

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bastah wrote:
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same! i love, love this show. i want to find out more about tate too because he and violet are my favorites. i didn't actually think he'd be in last nights episode as much as he was, but there's so many mysteries about everyone!

there seemed to be so much more information and new characters last night that it made me think addie was going to turn up too.

Violate is my fave too. Ryan Murphy says we'll find out EVERYTHING about Tate soon.

I think I heard that Addie is never coming back, but I really hope she is.
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now i'm wondering if violet is in fact dead since tate said something about her being "evolved" now and that's why she's seeing more of the ghosts.

Yeah, I'm wondering too or if they're just trying to make us think she is. I was thinking that she wasn't since Moira brought the developer into Violet's room and she wasn't there, BUT we know that ghosts can disappear and reappear. Constance made that comment last ep about how Violet was transitioning. That was creepy. Have her try to leave the house, so we'll know!


aw i really liked addie. even if she doesn't come back, i'd still wish her to make some sort of appearance. she was a really interesting character.

i'm confused on the whole violet dead/not dead thing too. part of me hopes she isn't and part of me hopes she is. either way its going to be just as interesting. it does feel like everyone keeps hinting at violet being a ghost, but maybe they're all saying that because she's becoming accustomed to living with ghosts and being in love with one.


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The Constance/Moira scenes are pretty amazing. I think what's really great about them is that they seem so realistic given the situation. It's eerie.

I have this feeling that Tate isn't who we think he is. Here's my crazy theory: they've made a big deal out of the fact that Violet is a virgin. I think that he's just trying to be charming and have her sympathize with him, so that she'll sleep with him. He couldn't have her sleep with him on the beach, because it needs to be in the house. The house requires it or something. But if this crazy theory doesn't happen, then I still think that there's something to what Addie said about being afraid of him. I could totally see him going absolutely psycho this season or having the devil in him or whatever.


I've considered the possibility of him being the pleather suit demon guy! Demons can take on different forms to manipulate who they want to. I think he already got the mom pregnant, and now he wants Violet. I hope I'm wrong though. Tate and Violet forever...

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The Constance/Moira scenes are pretty amazing. I think what's really great about them is that they seem so realistic given the situation. It's eerie.

I have this feeling that Tate isn't who we think he is. Here's my crazy theory: they've made a big deal out of the fact that Violet is a virgin. I think that he's just trying to be charming and have her sympathize with him, so that she'll sleep with him. He couldn't have her sleep with him on the beach, because it needs to be in the house. The house requires it or something. But if this crazy theory doesn't happen, then I still think that there's something to what Addie said about being afraid of him. I could totally see him going absolutely psycho this season or having the devil in him or whatever.


I've considered the possibility of him being the pleather suit demon guy! Demons can take on different forms to manipulate who they want to. I think he already got the mom pregnant, and now he wants Violet. I hope I'm wrong though. Tate and Violet forever...

I say Violate (I usually don't like those combined names, but as you can see, I love this one) forever, even if he is bad. Yeah, I was thinking that Tate is a Rubber Man possibility. I was thinking that his interest in gay porn might be the clue there, which is why he might have gotten down with Patrick or both Patrick and Chad (wow, quite a theory there, Bastah).


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The Frances Conroy Moira is a bit too old to simply be how old Moira would be today - Moira was in her early-mid 20s in 1983, which would make her no older than 50 now.

I'm beginning to think there's no internal logic to this show - like Lost or Carnivale, it doesn't bear up to close scrutiny.

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ghosts can leave the house though – remember when tate met the dad for coffee? (that's assuming that tate is a ghost)

Wasn't that during the Halloween episode? They can leave on Halloween.

yeah it was halloween. it was also halloween when tate and violet went to the... beach? wherever they went when the dead kids showed up. i never did figure out exactly where they were.


really? i thought the coffee meet up happened within the first few episodes.

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Agree with Karena that old Moira is too old. Young Moira really stiffens up the middle inch. The wife bugs.

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The Frances Conroy Moira is a bit too old to simply be how old Moira would be today - Moira was in her early-mid 20s in 1983, which would make her no older than 50 now.

I'm beginning to think there's no internal logic to this show - like Lost or Carnivale, it doesn't bear up to close scrutiny.


Maybe Moira is choosing to appear in the form that would be least threatening to Vivian? Also, being shot in the face can really age a person.

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Wasn't that during the Halloween episode? They can leave on Halloween.

yeah it was halloween. it was also halloween when tate and violet went to the... beach? wherever they went when the dead kids showed up. i never did figure out exactly where they were.


really? i thought the coffee meet up happened within the first few episodes.

nope! first halloween episode. this is just a recap, but it's in there: http://www.tvovermind.com/american-horr ... cap/101082

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The Frances Conroy Moira is a bit too old to simply be how old Moira would be today - Moira was in her early-mid 20s in 1983, which would make her no older than 50 now.

I'm beginning to think there's no internal logic to this show - like Lost or Carnivale, it doesn't bear up to close scrutiny.


Maybe Moira is choosing to appear in the form that would be least threatening to Vivian? Also, being shot in the face can really age a person.

yeah, i don't think her appearance has anything to do with what her actual age would be. she's also not in her 20s anymore, but she appears that way to the guys. constance said moira appears as people want to see her.

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esme wrote:
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ghosts can leave the house though – remember when tate met the dad for coffee? (that's assuming that tate is a ghost)

Wasn't that during the Halloween episode? They can leave on Halloween.

yeah it was halloween. it was also halloween when tate and violet went to the... beach? wherever they went when the dead kids showed up. i never did figure out exactly where they were.


really? i thought the coffee meet up happened within the first few episodes.

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