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 Post subject: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:33 pm 
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I enjoy it.

A sampler platter:

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:51 pm 
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Hee hee. I'd never seen that third one before. TWIST!


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:57 pm 
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That third one is the best.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:19 pm 
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I don't like it. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed lots of their comics, and they do make a lot of sharp points, but the artist has some problems with misogyny and disrespect for violence survivors. They have attacked and banned commenters for speaking out against triggering, harmful, oppressive, and/or sexist language. They aren't intersectionally anti-oppression in any way - they're totally fine with throwing fellow (mostly female) vegans under the bus in favor of "the animals". Which is a popular approach, and I kind of get it if I squint and turn my head sideways and become a completely different person, but...

Also, that last one - imitating the speech of people of color with "dat" and "de"? Really? Really?!

P.S. Sorry if I've gotten inappropriately political. I still don't quite have a feel for when that's okay, here, and when it's not.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:59 pm 
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All I know about it is the comics. I don't know about their anti-woman (or other problematic) stances and didn't mean to endorse the site wholesale.

But the dat and de stuff is standard internet-speak. I don't think it's racist dialect. (The denial/de Nile "joke" is a chestnut that I don't think trades on racist stereotypes.) But maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think you're being inappropriately political (or inappropriately anything).

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:23 pm 
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I used to really like early Vegan Sidekick comics and I would share them on my FB wall and even had a few omnis go, "oh, that's a good point."

But I feel like lately most of the comics are quite rude/mean toward omnis and I would never share them on my FB - I know they would mostly just offend/anger people. I am struggling to explain the difference though, so this isn't a very articulate post.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:44 pm 
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Oh, I wouldn't want to share most of them with omnis, either. I don't know how effective these cartoons would be for outreach. I was reading them as in-jokes.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:52 pm 
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But the dat and de stuff is standard internet-speak. I don't think it's racist dialect. (The denial/de Nile "joke" is a chestnut that I don't think trades on racist stereotypes.) But maybe I'm wrong.

It's verrrrrry much minstrelsy/blackface dialect, they could have made the same joke without using dat and de. It's basically the most ancient AAVE, it's really not standard internet-speak!

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
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I'm familiar with racist caricatures of black English. I don't think the de Nile/denial thing is a solid example of that. (Surely you've heard the "she's the queen of de Nile" joke?)

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:58 am 
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Well I have, but I also think it's referencing that same minstrelsy. But the main issue I think the vegan sidekick one has is that they reenforce it with 'dat' at the beginning of the sentence.

Didn't mean to harp too much on your topic - the other pics I do find amusing. Someone totally brought up the car tires thing to me the other day. But yeah the minute I read that Nile pic I felt pretty gross.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegan Sidekick
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:07 am 
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Hey, it's all fair game.

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