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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:50 am 
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Swedish sounds so nice and from what I've read is relatively easy but I'm worried it'll interfere with my German


My ex learned Swedish from me/my family having been fluent in German, and I think it was of great assistance to him. A lot of Swedish words are just similar enough to German that you can guess them, and a lot of times even if he used the German word in an otherwise Swedish sentence, Swedish speakers would understand what he was trying to say and be able to give him the proper Swedish word. (ETA: he's also one of those crazy brain people who has been trilingual from a very young age and has little to no difficulties picking up a new language; at last count he speaks about 7 languages fluently. So take that with a grain of salt)

Likewise, I've never studied German but the amount I've been able to glean just by its occasional similarity to Swedish has surprised me. Not enough to speak or read, certainly, but enough to survive a week or two in Germany.

If anyone else is practicing their Swedish, I just found a great podcast from SR! It's a horror fiction podcast called Creepypodden med Jack Werner. I've only listened to the first episode so far but the narration is the perfect tempo for me- just fast enough to be challenging but not as fast (or un-enunciated) as most regular Swedish speakers!

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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One more thing about HelloTalk: I do love it, but I'm not crazy about the person who tries to guilt trip me into writing her more often. (She has said she likes finding messages from her foreign correspondents when she gets up. I mean, sure, I do too. It's fun.) But this is annoying.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Oh, great.

Well, damn.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I wasn't sure where to write this but I'm currently reading a book in English translated from German, it's aimed at German teenagers who are studying English and says "in American English!" On the cover. I'm not reading it to study English but because of the story (my weird library only had the translated version)

I feel like I'm going crazy. There was one sentence that sounded off and very very German and now almost every page has some weird stuff, only I'm not sure anymore whether it's wrong or just translated a bit too close to the original.

"Slowly the player's astonishment and trepidation abated and made room for excitement and merriment." ... This does sound weird, right?

"He hated it when Justus indulged himself in enigmatic insinuations and didn't come out with the truth"

And then there are some that I'm unsure about, they sound so wrong but maybe someone can tell me how this sounds to a native speaker

Is "punishment practice" the normal term for when you have to practice sports for losing a game earlier?

"You sound pretty on edge." "On edge is good." Can you say that? Like "that's rich", not that being on edge is actually good.

Now I can't find the other examples even though the book is full of them...

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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The sentences with on edge sound fine to me.

The others are not "ungrammatical," but they're so thick with 10-dollar words that they sound unnatural.

"Trepidation abated," "merriment," "enigmatic insinuations." There's nothing wrong about these (the sentences are built correctly and the words are used with their proper meanings), but the vocabulary definitely feels off. I don't think I'd enjoy that book.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I agree with Footie.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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It sounds like an insane mash up of Google Translate and Great Expectations.

I'm now going to use 'enigmatic insinuations" at every opportunity.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Thanks! Yeah, I feel like the books not so much full of grammar mistakes as it's just a word for word translation. I keep thinking "Californian teenagers don't talk like this!!!"

It also makes me angry because I get payed so little to translate dumb shiitake and someone gets to translate a series I like and then does... Whatever this is...

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Thanks! Yeah, I feel like the books not so much full of grammar mistakes as it's just a word for word translation. I keep thinking "Californian teenagers don't talk like this!!!"

It also makes me angry because I get payed so little to translate dumb shiitake and someone gets to translate a series I like and then does... Whatever this is...

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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"Peter braced himself against the wall and was introspective" I know this is not a wrong sentence but but...

"He has inherited richly" is wrong, right? Nevermind, I looked it up. 100 google hits. So definitely something a teenager would say.

Edit:
Sorry I didn't just edit my post. Posting on my phone is a bit weird.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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This book sounds hilarious. All your base hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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FootFace wrote:
Welp. I registered to take the 46th TOPIK test in April. You'll recall (or not) that I took the TOPIK last April, and I didn't do so well. But this time will be... different?


I still haven't received my official materials for this, so I'm maybe taking the TOPIK next month?

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Does anyone else have a lot of trouble studying languages without something like classes /homework pushing you?

I really really want to keep up with the languages I already studied but it feels like I never have time which clearly means I have more of a time management issue or just need more of a proper structure/schedule. Its not because I dont like to, I actually super miss studying at least several times a week (/geek). But also... maybe I just actually don't have enough time with university and work and life and everything else. Blergh. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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We're doing Easter with NB's family. In the past, we've done 50-50 Dutch and English, with me being heavy on English. This time has been more 95-5 with me dropping into English only at the end of our dates (5-6 hours with each of his families) for complicated phrases. They were so impressed! I am so impressed! Woo.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Does anyone else have a lot of trouble studying languages without something like classes /homework pushing you?

I really really want to keep up with the languages I already studied but it feels like I never have time which clearly means I have more of a time management issue or just need more of a proper structure/schedule. Its not because I dont like to, I actually super miss studying at least several times a week (/geek). But also... maybe I just actually don't have enough time with university and work and life and everything else. Blergh. :(


The tutoring on italkti has really helped me with pushing me to keep up even when I'm busy or tired or distracted by a shiny object. It's really inexpensive too! Depending on the language, they also have instant tutoring where you see who is online.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Homework assignments or some kind of regular schedule are a huge help. Without them, I kind of... drift.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Seconding Skype/Google Hangouts/other video chat lessons for staying motivated. I recently started lessons with a teacher from italki and I'm really enjoying it, although I feel totally mentally exhausted after an hour. (Some teachers offer shorter lessons, which I kind of wish I had started with.)


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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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I'm trying to learn Italian. I just downloaded an app called "memrise" recently. It helps a lot with pronounciation and spelling, but I'm wondering if complex skills will be attainable with it. :/


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I'm trying to learn Italian. I just downloaded an app called "memrise" recently. It helps a lot with pronounciation and spelling, but I'm wondering if complex skills will be attainable with it. :/
Memrise is basically a well-organised, well-presented flashcards system, which means it's as good as whatever was put into it by the deck authors.

DuoLingo is pretty solid and builds up in complexity as you know more. Use both!

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Alyx wrote:
I'm trying to learn Italian. I just downloaded an app called "memrise" recently. It helps a lot with pronounciation and spelling, but I'm wondering if complex skills will be attainable with it. :/


I am fluent in Italian, so please let me know whenever you can't figure something out...all the little pronouns can be confusing.


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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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The TOPIK test is in 10 days.

I don't think I'm ready.

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