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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:15 pm 
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I have to share my latest "heart" sentence:

무슨 와이셔츠를 아들한테 원하냐고 물어봤어요.

"I asked my son what kind of shirt he wanted."

I swear, I have been working on all this indirect speech ("I said that...," "i asked whether...," etc.) forever now.

Interesting note: that Korean word for shirt (와이셔츠) — waishyeocheu — comes from the English "white shirt."

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:17 pm 
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Nice!

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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My K-listening skills are so poor that when I actually understood all of a short voice message a Korean friend sent me this morning, I was thrilled. It was a simple message, but I understood it.

안녕하세요. 오늘은 날씨가 너무 좋아요. 그래서 밖에서 걷고 있어요.

"Hello. The weather is really nice today. And so I'm walking outside."

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Wonderful! Listening is so hard for me too. If I don't already have context, I miss almost everything.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:00 pm 
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I had two heart sentences at today's lesson. This was my better one:

Mariners한태 야구 잘 하라고 했는데 지금 지고 있어요.

("I told the Mariners to play baseball well, but right now they're losing.")

And I had a brief chat with my teacher's husband, who speaks very little English. It was a halting chat with plenty of Konglish—like "camping하다," to go camping—and I didn't understand everything, but it was good.

Getting pretty sick of being so challenged all the time. Just wishing it could feel easy.

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Learning a language spoken by only roughly 12 million people (Swedish) isn't massively useful, but it does have its occasional benefits. Like when I was traveling alone in Europe and some sketchy dude tried to 'talk' to me in Amsterdam when I just wanted to be left in peace, I pretended I didn't speak English and answered all his questions in Swedish and he gave up and left me alone!

I've learned today that you can also get away with blisteringly filthy statements in public and official channels- I was walking back to work with my lunch today when I passed by an extremely cute vintage (ca. 60s or 70s) Volvo station wagon. I paused to admire it and then noticed the vanity plates. They read 'FETKUK', and I burst out laughing- it's definitely a Swede who owns that Swedish car. The plates, translated, mean 'FATC**K'

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I hope Icelandic will prove as useful.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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We're moving (an hour) north! Which means changing all the doctors, and my language school. I sent so many emails and texts in Danish this morning, and so far it sounds like everyone has understood all the things I have tried to say.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Because I had run out of ways to feel inadequate* I decided to try writing a short, simple children's story in Korean.

Let me tell you: this is as hard as it sounds. I had to look up many, many words. I discovered new methods of misunderstanding grammar I thought I already knew.

But it's still a good exercise. My teacher liked it and was (as always) very patient with the errors she encountered.

It's about a lonely little weasel named Ubak ("hailstone").

An illustration of how tough this can be: What's the Korean word for weasel? Beats me. I'll look it up. I find the word Tambi ("marten"). Perfect! I like martens, and Tambi sounds like a cute word. But my teacher was completely mystified. Tambi? What's "tambi"? Her husband was mystified. As a result she completely misunderstood the basics of the story. (She thought I was trying to say it was about a hailstone named Tambi and was pretty confused!) So now Ubak is a jokjebi (a word for "weasel" that Koreans actually know).

*I will never actually run out of ways to feel inadequate. Inadequate4Life!

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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Any competent Latin speakers here? I am going to be one of those obnoxious people that gets a tattoo in a language in which they're not fluent. Simply put, I've always admired and aspired to the anarchist slogan of 'no gods, no masters'. Latin is as close to a universal/ancient language I can think of (well, barring Esperanto) (and yes, I'm aware of the irony of using the language of so many religious zealot slaveowners [Romans] for this statement). So from poking around I'm pretty sure the correct phrase/pluralization is as follows:

nulli deii, nulli domini

Am I comically off, or slightly so, or not at all? I want to be sure before I get it tattooed!

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It wouldn't be deii.

(Deus is the singular, so dei would be the plural.)

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FootFace wrote:
It wouldn't be deii.

(Deus is the singular, so dei would be the plural.)


Thank you!

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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You guys, I had to switch language schools after we moved. Now I'm going to day classes for 14 hours a week (previously evening classes for 4 hours a week). On Monday, I had 5 hours of classes in a row. The last time I had so many, I was an undergrad a Cal. 10 years ago. OMFGBBQ, that's a lot of attention for anyone in a classroom setting, let alone a foreign language class. Once I get used to the amount of hours, it'll be great, because they expect us to speak in Danish -- which means, I will also eventually speak in Danish ;) 3 of my classmates are Syrian refugees, 1 is from Lebanon, 2 from China and 1 from Slovenia. In Danish media, refugees are treated about as badly as "those furreners" are by FOX, and I have to say -- the refugees in my class are the kindest, caring-est, most articulate people (in English or Danish) that I have ever met, and I am so grateful I get to learn with them.

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FootFace wrote:
Because I had run out of ways to feel inadequate* I decided to try writing a short, simple children's story in Korean.


I've been keeping at it. I've written about 1500 words. When I'm done it'll be under 2000 words, but that's a little long for a little kids' story. Whatever. It's fine!

This is hard in ways I don't even understand.

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FootFace wrote:
This is hard in ways I don't even understand.


It is 100% hard in ways I 100% do not understand.
However, gold star for being amazing! I don't think I could even write 1 word in Korean, let alone 2000, let alone 2000 that make sense when, you know, strung together.

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This is hard in ways I don't even understand.


It is 100% hard in ways I 100% do not understand.
However, gold star for being amazing! I don't think I could even write 1 word in Korean, let alone 2000, let alone 2000 that make sense when, you know, strung together.


You could if you studied it!

(And I think my Korean is getting worse.)

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I finished my story! The best part is that my teacher is just thrilled with it. At this week's lesson we're going to read it to her husband. And she said she would read it to her kids and take video of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they all thought, "Okay. Sure. Whatever." But it's still fun that she's all excited about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Language Lab: joys (and not) of foreign language learnin
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It is always super fun when people are excited about the assignments you doing and all the effort you put into things.

I actually just got back from an MIR and though of this thread! One of the patience before me came back into the waiting area and was speaking French to her mother talking about the MIR how she wasn't that scared etc. She sat down next me and as she did turned to smile and say 'bonjour' I replied 'bonjour' and her and her mother both excitedly exclaimed that I spoke french.

I said I did, but I was very rusty. They proceeded to tell me how they haven't found anyone here who speaks french. I confused, clarified that no one here in this doctors office spoke french. They said no, they hadn't been able to find anyone who spoke french since they got here. No one at this doctors office or their hotel spoke a word of french and I recalled the woman who brought her in speaking in oddly slow in English to her and the girl responding in french.

We had a really pleasant conversation about french language and limitations in Halifax/Dartmouth, I talked about how I had recently found out that most of the service canada offices in HRM don't have any french staff. It was really great to get to talk with them, even though my accent is still terrible and my vocabulary feels crushingly limited at time they said it meant a lot to them as the staff had just been speaking English to them this whole time. So I spent the 30 mins in my MIR mentally translating the directions given to me by the technicians and afterwards offered to make them a cheat sheet for future clients.

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Cool!

Yeah, sometimes simple communication can almost feel like magic.

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I finished my story! The best part is that my teacher is just thrilled with it. At this week's lesson we're going to read it to her husband. And she said she would read it to her kids and take video of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they all thought, "Okay. Sure. Whatever." But it's still fun that she's all excited about it.

I love this Footie, I keep coming back to read it because it makes me smile! I bet they are excited and thrilled because your book is truly AWESOME.

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We had a really pleasant conversation about french language and limitations in Halifax/Dartmouth, I talked about how I had recently found out that most of the service canada offices in HRM don't have any french staff. It was really great to get to talk with them, even though my accent is still terrible and my vocabulary feels crushingly limited at time they said it meant a lot to them as the staff had just been speaking English to them this whole time. So I spent the 30 mins in my MIR mentally translating the directions given to me by the technicians and afterwards offered to make them a cheat sheet for future clients.

This is amazingly sweet!

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The first story was about a weasel named Ubak and a crow.

The next one is about...

Ubak and the crow going in search of the crow's grandfather!

I call it... The Crow's Grandfather, and it is likely to be a major motion picture by 2018.

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This 4-year-old speaks (and reads) 7 languages.

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As expected, the Reading of the Story didn't go over so great. My teacher's husband just seemed a little... mystified. One-half "Why am I here, doing this?" and one-half "What's so great about this?"

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Excellent! That's much better than yelling at you for getting all the grammar wrong! (Also: just think! Can't ever get worse than that! It's all down-hill story-telling easiness from here!)

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