GOP Presidential candidates say the darndest things

mustardseed · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:15 am

Newt on capital punishment for drug trafficking:

"Places like Singapore have been the most successful at doing that. They’ve been very draconian. And they have communicated with great intention that they intend to stop drugs from coming into their country." - draconian, good...?

In 2005 an Australian drug runner was put to death despite pleas for clemency. This is just one case, out of many - here, anyone age 18 and above carrying more than 15g of heroin faces mandatory execution. The fact that this is actually applauded here and elsewhere makes me sick.

Fee · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:51 pm

sunnybear wrote:

Wow. Santorum says that babies made out of rape are a "gift from god." This is just despicable I am speechless!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/23 ... god-video/

Quote:

“Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn’t have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn’t, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I’ve always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can’t think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.”

"Make the best of" like a baby is a damn lemon. Infuriating.

flavabean · **Joined:** Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:48 pm **Posts:** 1329

sunnybear wrote:

Wow. Santorum says that babies made out of rape are a "gift from god." This is just despicable I am speechless!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/23 ... god-video/

Quote:

“Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn’t have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn’t, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I’ve always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can’t think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.”

This guy's words are so forking triggering it's ridiculous. I'm sitting here seething and hyperventalating over what he's saying. To say that a pregnancy that is the result of rape is in the same "lemons into lemonade" category as say "Oh man, I burnt dinner, let's go out for pizza!" is infuriating. He has no idea what it would be like to be in that situation. No idea.

It's not accepting what God has given you. It's accepting that a rapist has complete control of your body and life - during the rape and then at least 18 years more.

Fee · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:01 pm

Not to mention that I'm sure he'd allow medical intervention if god gave him some gift he didn't want...like cancer.

Tofulish · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:13 pm

Its still crazy to me that after all his wife went through he didn't develop the slightest bit of compassion for women who might need a termination to save their lives.

Quote:

In the 19th week of pregnancy, the paper reported, “a radiologist told them that the fetus Karen was carrying had a fatal defect and was going to die.” They opted for a “bladder shunt” surgery that led to an intrauterine infection and a high fever. The Santorums were told that “unless the source of the infection, the fetus, was removed from Karen’s body, she would likely die.” Santorum did go into labor, and Gabriel Michael Santorum died within a couple of hours.

And it is accurate to say that the direct experience of a life-threatening pregnancy and a tragic loss did not leave Rick Santorum with any empathy for women who do have to make those difficult decisions in extremely murky circumstances.

http://www.salon.com/topic/karen_santorum/

That is the part that really flummoxes me. How does this guy have 0 empathy or compassion?

FootFace · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:43 pm

Fee wrote:

Not to mention that I'm sure he'd allow medical intervention if god gave him some gift he didn't want...like cancer.

Well, sure, but that's different. It's cancer.

Desdemona · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:55 pm

sunnybear wrote:

Wow. Santorum says that babies made out of rape are a "gift from god." This is just despicable I am speechless!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/23 ... god-video/

Quote:

“Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn’t have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn’t, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I’ve always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can’t think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.”

That's right, ladies: when life hands you rape, turn that frown upside down and make...rapeade! Praise the Lard!

DangerZone · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:15 pm

What I don't understand: isn't saying that a child produced from rape is God's blessing kind of endorsing rape? Are we supposed to go, "Rape is terrible, unless you get a baby out of it?" In which case women should probably thank God for pointing rapists their way? Or maybe it's the rapists that deserve thanks. "I mean, sure, he raped you, but if he hadn't, you wouldn't have had this beautiful blessing!"

Also, I'm no expert, but I think the law kind of sucks on these things? Like, some states say judges can terminate rapists' parental rights, but others say the rapist has to be convicted (which is not always possible) and others don't have laws addressing the issue at all. And then there's the fact that most rape is not committed by strangers to the victim and many women don't report the crime. So you're not just saying "Babies = rape compensation" – you're doing so in a society where rapists may be have a legal right to their children and can use them to maintain a presence in their victims' lives. It seems like there's something deeply forked up there.

ETA - I really think the concentration should be less on "Hey, let's just make sure that pregnant rape victims don't get any say about what happens to their bodies/lives, because, God" and more, "So, what can we do to stop rape?" How come no one ever flips the conversation back to that?

Fee · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:29 pm

FootFace wrote:

Fee wrote:

Not to mention that I'm sure he'd allow medical intervention if god gave him some gift he didn't want...like cancer.

Well, sure, but that's different. It's cancer.

No no no, you have to say "gift of cancer". Because calling it a gift turns a negative into a positive!

starrynight87 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:18 pm

In case you didn't already think Ron Paul was out of his flipping mind

Quote:

1. He wants to repeal the Civil Rights Act. That's the 1964 law that made segregation illegal and outlawed discrimination on the basis of race, colour, religion, sex or national origin. Paul claims it infringes on people's freedom. If a restaurant or hotel wants to ban African-Americans, he believes they should be allowed to. As he put it in a speech to Congress: "the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty."

I just . . . he can't . . . it wouldn't . . . what the fork?!

The entire time I read this article, my eyes were like this:

terri_to · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:35 pm

Aw, that owl.

Quote:

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said Thursday he is willing to go before the NAACP and urge blacks to demand paychecks, not food stamps.

Actually, a sizeable chunk of the people getting food stamps do receive a paycheck.

It really blows my mind that one of these candidates will actually be the GOP candidate for President of the United States. It seems like one extended joke on an entire country, to me, except that it could have really awful consequences.

j-dub · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:03 am

FootFace wrote:

Fee wrote:

Not to mention that I'm sure he'd allow medical intervention if god gave him some gift he didn't want...like cancer.

Well, sure, but that's different. It's cancer.

And, more to the point, he's a man.

Tofulish · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:27 pm

The good news is that POTUS had a good showing post State of the Union speech. 91% of the people approved of his msg that the economic divide i this country is too deep, and he had some good attacks on Romney, plus Romney released his tax returns on the same day, and the media is having a field day with the fact that he made $57,000 a day.

starrynight87 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:48 pm

Ron Paul may be coming to the end of the road. Thank the Lard! That man flipping terrifies me.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/ron-pauls-last-stand/252567/

Tofulish · **Posted:** Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:35 pm

America! fork Yeah! Ya dirty Commie!

Quote:

When confronted outside his campaign headquarters in Charleston, S.C., and asked, "What would you do to support the 99 percent, seeing as how you're part of the 1 percent?" Romney dismissed the questioner as--yes, that's right--un-American. "If you've got a better model, if you think China's better, or Russia's better, or Cuba's better, or North Korea's better, I'm glad to hear all about it, but you know what, America's right, and you are wrong," Romney sneered.

It plays to his base that is still afraid of Commies and socialists, instead of corporations that pollute our rivers, air, and food sources, and gobble up corporate subsidies etc. The base that still thinks universal healthcare is bad, but Medicare is good (because they earned that).

And of course the classic I don't care about poor people If he hadn't backpedaled he would have at least gotten points for honesty

Daily Show Rxn

monkeytoes · **Posted:** Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:45 am

Can this please be the year people realize they're too poor to vote Republican?

matwinser · **Joined:** Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 1517

Christ, the Republicans are terrifying. It's like "The Handmaid's Tale". I mean I don't like the Tories here in the UK but they have nothing on that shower of crassholes.

And until this thread, I had no idea the Rick Santorum wanted limited contraception for married couples. I am really shocked by that (I guess because I expect all the other anti-women, anti-gay stuff but going down the route of forcing couple to have as many children as God decides just seems extra cuckoo to me)

Mat.

bekki · **Posted:** Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:12 am

DangerZone wrote:

What I don't understand: isn't saying that a child produced from rape is God's blessing kind of endorsing rape? Are we supposed to go, "Rape is terrible, unless you get a baby out of it?" In which case women should probably thank God for pointing rapists their way? Or maybe it's the rapists that deserve thanks. "I mean, sure, he raped you, but if he hadn't, you wouldn't have had this beautiful blessing!"

Also, I'm no expert, but I think the law kind of sucks on these things? Like, some states say judges can terminate rapists' parental rights, but others say the rapist has to be convicted (which is not always possible) and others don't have laws addressing the issue at all. And then there's the fact that most rape is not committed by strangers to the victim and many women don't report the crime. So you're not just saying "Babies = rape compensation" – you're doing so in a society where rapists may be have a legal right to their children and can use them to maintain a presence in their victims' lives. It seems like there's something deeply forked up there.

ETA - I really think the concentration should be less on "Hey, let's just make sure that pregnant rape victims don't get any say about what happens to their bodies/lives, because, God" and more, "So, what can we do to stop rape?" How come no one ever flips the conversation back to that?

Why people don't flip the conversation like that is beyond me. I just try to point out the utter absurdity of pregnancy from rape = a gift from god by asking if rapists who get their victims pregnant should be immune from prosecution. After all, if pregnancy is a sign of divine intervention, the rapist OBVIOUSLY isn't at fault in those situations. Then I sit back and listen to how illogical and nonsensical my argument is. Exactly.

Memy · **Joined:** Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:27 am **Posts:** 5

I'm Canadian so none of it affects us much but up here we LOVE Faux News. It's just like This Hour has Twenty Two Minutes. Fantastic writers. ( Oh, it's isn't comedy programming? Damn!!)

When Bush got in, most Canadians said " Damn". When he got in a second time, we said a collective what the fizzle???! How can the Republican Party survive for so long without a brain?

Shy Mox · **Posted:** Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:16 am

I'd love to know why Obama wanting to tax the rich is "class warfare" but not caring about the very poor, and wanting black kids to work as janitors, isn't.

matwinser · **Joined:** Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 1517

For me, it is a great example of what happens when privilege goes unchecked. Instead of saying "You know what, other people's lives are different from mine, I wonder what that is like"

They go "I don't give a flying fork what other people's lives are like or what it might be like to be in an oppressed minority because I have the luxury of not having to. fork anyone not like me"

Mat.

marmoset · **Posted:** Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:53 pm

I recently found out that my brother is a huge Ron Paul supporter. <cries>

Tofulish · **Posted:** Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:58 pm

Shy Mox wrote:

I'd love to know why Obama wanting to tax the rich is "class warfare" but not caring about the very poor, and wanting black kids to work as janitors, isn't.

its the status quo

gaia13 · **Joined:** Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:02 pm **Posts:** 1674

marmoset wrote:

I recently found out that my brother is a huge Ron Paul supporter. <cries>

I'm gonna join you crying in the corner, marmoset. My brother keeps trying to convince me to vote for RP and why he's the better candidate than Obama. I just let his words go in one ear and out the other. And my dad kinda likes him-something about his tax plan or something, I wasn't really paying attention.

Fee · **Posted:** Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:06 pm

My brother is also a RP supporter. It's an epidemic.

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