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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:01 pm 
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I don't know why whiteness would affect your ability to understand the burden of walking four miles just to cross the street. Jaywalking seems to be a pretty color neutral activity seeing as how all the white people I know are unwilling to walk 100 feet to a crosswalk to get back to their cars parked across the street.

I think the reasonableness standard is supposed to be with regard to the way an ordinary citizen might understand the world and the size of juries is supposed to even out the potential extremes of individual bad sense. I have no idea if professional juries really do better (I haven't heard much good about the European system, and they have a benefit of more homogenous populations which may obscure bad systems), but in the US I would be worried about them just concretizing the racism of the system. Like, do think these professional jurists are going to be poor and of color? Instead of occasional all white middle class juries we could have permanent all white upper middle class juries. Sounds worse.

Does Europe have one justice system? I thought that each nation had a separate system.

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No, obviously they have different justice systems, but they are likely to share more theoretical underpinnings.


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They are really quite different. For example France (I have a French law degree) and Germany (worked as a lawyer in Germany) are both code based civil law systems, while the UK is a common law system, and therefore has more theoretical underpinnings in common with the US, which is also a common law system.

This is getting pretty far off topic though

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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Good piece from The New Yorker.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/c ... -done.html

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There is an echo, in what people say Martin should and shouldn’t have done, of what people say to women when bad things happen to them in dark places. Why did you walk that way, why were you out in the rain? Why did you walk in the direction of the man instead of running? Why did you think you had the privilege to go out and get candy for a child? You didn’t; you should have known. It shouldn’t be that way. A woman should be able to walk on a dark street in Florida, or anywhere. That she might not be able to doesn’t make a similar restraint on Martin any more reasonable—one injustice doesn’t vindicate another—and, in a way, only adds to the pain. One of the answers, among the most mortifying, and rightly underlying the rage at the verdict, is that Trayvon Martin wasn’t supposed to act like a man.

He wasn’t quite one, yet. He was a child, who had just turned seventeen. He was learning how to be a man—and he had some reasonable guides in his parents, as we have learned through watching their utter dignity throughout the trial. That night, though, Martin was just guessing.

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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This is an interesting development, and I'm frankly not sure how to feel about it - mostly because I'm A. not a lawyer, and B. don't really understand how these things work (see A). I'd be interested to hear the opinions of people who are educated about legal matters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... rman-case/

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Conservatives reacting to Obama's speech
*don't read if you don't want to get very angry very quickly*

My "favorite" one says: I like living in a country where a black president elected twice complains about racism.

Why is it so hard for people to recognize that it's still a problem?


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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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Desdemona wrote:
This is an interesting development, and I'm frankly not sure how to feel about it - mostly because I'm A. not a lawyer, and B. don't really understand how these things work (see A). I'd be interested to hear the opinions of people who are educated about legal matters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... rman-case/


I'm also curious. (And also, kind of impressed by the JD that they're even announcing the fact that they're willing to hear from the general public about this. I don't envy anyway who will have to wade through those submissions.)

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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I think it would be very hard to prove.

Also, I was reading the the self defense plea and win would mean under Florida law the family couldn't sue. Has anyone else read that?

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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Latest from GZ: It was god's plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxpwb0 ... ata_player

Despite using the youtube thing to embed it it wouldn't embed. What's up with that?

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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^^ i think that interview is about a year old (and it's not embedding because the url contains https instead of http). but it's still pretty shocking to see someone make sean hannity look a voice of reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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Oh, so not the latest. Still, pretty shocking to say taking a life was god's plan and he wouldn't change what he did.

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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And now for today's "I told you so" segment: "News Ball.com reports that Seminole Sheriff’s Dept. Officer Patrick Rehder, a self-styled friend and supporter of Zimmerman, contacted Zimmerman by cell phone directing him to go to the accident so as to appear to be a hero."

Color me disgusted, but unsurprised.

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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Gross. How low of a person can you be to not only murder someone but then go on to use a different victim to make yourself look good?

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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I am surprised. I thought it was too ridiculous to be faked. Apparently not.


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Desdemona wrote:
And now for today's "I told you so" segment: "News Ball.com reports that Seminole Sheriff’s Dept. Officer Patrick Rehder, a self-styled friend and supporter of Zimmerman, contacted Zimmerman by cell phone directing him to go to the accident so as to appear to be a hero."

Color me disgusted, but unsurprised.

http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george ... e-a-fraud/

I wouldn't believe it until it comes from an official news source. This is where sites are getting this story from, and it's all theorizing anyway: http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictures-of-the-family-that-george-zimmerman-saved-from-a-burning-car-or-was-it-staged/

This is what Newsball says about itself, which is why I wouldn't use it as a real news source: "NewsBall.com IS quickly growing & establishing itself as THE place to come to when you want uncensored news. If you read or watch a news story that will not name a killer because they are a minor, or an individual that is accusing someone of rape – then come to NewsBall.com & see their name & pictures. If we aren’t yet covering the story, then just message us about it & we will dig it up & broadcast it live on the front page for the world to see. There will be no censored news here. How the big boys think news fans are going to continue to sit back & watch the censorship of a free press society is just plain ignorant & naive on their part. Who wants to follow an unfolding news story for weeks or months & continually be told “accuser who is not being named due to…..” or “suspected of first degree murder, but because she sits in juvenile hall & not yet charged as an adult, will remain unidentified….”? NOT ME! & unless your a mindless conformist sheep of society that wants to sit back & allow the mainstream news to feed you their watered down generic censored propaganda, then remember NewsBall Inc & come back whenever your frustrated about not knowing a name or seeing the pictures of an individual in a news story you have been following."

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 Post subject: Re: Teen shot in Florida, 911 calls released.
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Yeah, I'm still waiting for confirmation from some other news source, but frankly the whole thing has stunk like yesterday's diaper's from the get-go, and the 911 calls sound legit in terms of there being no Super George showing up to pull the family from then burning vehicle. I don't know anything about this website and had never heard of it before; if this turns out to be a false report, I will blush accordingly. But. I will still go to my grave believing that a gross miscarriage of justice allowed Zimmerman to get away with murdering an unarmed teenager, and that it's an obscenity to see his name and the word "hero" in the same sentence.

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so one of the other jurors is speaking out with a counterpoint to B37: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

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so one of the other jurors is speaking out with a counterpoint to B37: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
I really don't blame the jury; given the parameters of the law they were obliged to work within, it does appear that they had no choice but to acquit. As Thoreau put it, "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law."

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This makes me want to puke.
Gun Advocacy Group Sends Zimmerman $12,000 to Buy Guns

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. . . since the verdict, there is “even more reason” for Zimmerman to always be armed. Attorney Mark O’Mara “said his client is getting threats since the verdict earlier this month and has been carrying a weapon.”


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Desdemona wrote:
Yeah, I'm still waiting for confirmation from some other news source, but frankly the whole thing has stunk like yesterday's diaper's from the get-go, and the 911 calls sound legit in terms of there being no Super George showing up to pull the family from then burning vehicle. I don't know anything about this website and had never heard of it before; if this turns out to be a false report, I will blush accordingly. But. I will still go to my grave believing that a gross miscarriage of justice allowed Zimmerman to get away with murdering an unarmed teenager, and that it's an obscenity to see his name and the word "hero" in the same sentence.

The second I heard about him rescuing the family, I believed it was staged, but I think everyone's got this feeling. All the more reason why if it's true, journalists will be all over it and will reveal it. We wait and see


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http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george ... um=twitter

Zimmerman has been arrested for reportedly threatening his estranged wife and father-in-law with a gun.

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How very surprising; one can only assume he felt threatened. Maybe his wife and father-in-law were wearing hoodies and/or eating Skittles?


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jordanpattern wrote:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody-after-incident-with-gun-police-say/-/1637132/21851424/-/tlxm3oz/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Zimmerman has been arrested for reportedly threatening his estranged wife and father-in-law with a gun.


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jordanpattern wrote:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody-after-incident-with-gun-police-say/-/1637132/21851424/-/tlxm3oz/-/index.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Zimmerman has been arrested for reportedly threatening his estranged wife and father-in-law with a gun.


The first comment is a gem.

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If this was posted at 9 p.m. tonight you wouldn't see half of these lunatic comments from the liberal zombies. They'd be partying, getting hi, smoking the ganja and lamenting how unfair life is to them. Nothing but losers hating anyone successful. Nothing I love more than seeing our great urban areas fail like Detroit for example. That's your minority leadership in a nutshell.
That didn't make any sense...in what way is GZ a "success," except for getting away with murder (so far)? Maybe I'm just too hi [sic] from smoking the ganja to understand?

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That seems like a copy/paste comment to me. I was looking at an older article about the trial verdict and some weirdo was copy/pasting the same comment to everyone who said they thought the verdict was wrong. I can't remember what all it said but it including calling them dope smoking hooligans or something.

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