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 Post subject: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:26 am 
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So... I don't know if anyone else has been following this but I am super super depressed about the Danish election results. The second strongest party is now the Danish Folkeparti which is a right-wing populistic party. Their ideas include that people are only allowed to speak Danish at home, even immigrants (good luck on checking that...), that there needs to be a control on how many muslims live in the country, a super horrible immigrant policy - simply no more asyl seekers let into the country (it literally makes you sick thinking about it), anti-EU, "family values", securing and fostering Danishness (whatever the fork that means :/), securing a special position for the Christian church over other faiths.

Maybe you could think "well, that sucks, but what does it matter for the whole world?" which would be cynical but still what a lot of people think. Well, if countries like the UK and Denmark leave the EU (the two countries who always had trouble adhering to EU laws anyway, especially because their immigration laws are against human rights standard - to be fair this is also true of a lot of European countries now, who are breaking their own laws) this can have an huge impact of world politics. And also, this is sadly just another incident of the rise of the far-right parties in Europe. I feel like I'm having a bad nightmare.

I also scared for what this means for the Faroese and especially Greenland... :(

The social democrats DO have more seats but they're now in the opposition against a conservative/right coalition.

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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
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We've been following (kind of) since NatureBoy lives in the "heart" of Danish Folkeparti territory (which is funny! because Danish people don't want to live here; it's pretty much all foreigners with ties to his factory plus retired folks and the occasional farmer). I'm really disappointed in the results. And, like you, worried about what this means for EU policies more generally. The idea behind a "unified" Europe is great! This xenophobia? Not so much.

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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
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My boyfriend just told me that the Folkeparti still wants to stay in the "opposition" ... all I can think is that they want to do this so when everything goes shiitake these years they can say it wasn't them?

I am all for a unified Europe, but the big right wing surge within the EU parliament is scary as hell!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:09 am 
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The general rightward shift in the world is really troubling. Especially since I can't quite put my finger on what's causing it.

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The general rightward shift in the world is really troubling. Especially since I can't quite put my finger on what's causing it.


Shift to the past because current shiitake's scary as fork? (That's all I got.)

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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:24 am 
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Yes, I have friends in Copenhagen who have just had their first child. The husband is Danish and the wife's American, and she is just aghast at these results - part of the reason they chose to live in Denmark instead of the US was because they hoped it would be a more politically progressive place to raise their daughter, but these days we keep seeing what a forlorn hope that seems to be anywhere. What the hell is wrong with people?

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Living in a country that I feel has has just recently drawn a big line in the sand and said 'we're on the LEFT!' I am particularly troubled by this. Not that I wouldn't be anyway, but damn.

What is this massive jump to the Right? Economics? It seems as if people at large only really trust right-wing govs to deal with the economy. As if that doesn't have knock - on effects socially. It's beyond my ken why anyone but the super - rich/privileged/gob-shiteingly racist would vote for right-wing parties, and even then that would only apply to people without any damn conscience whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:47 am 
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Yes, this is really troubling.

My feeling is that in our increasingly insecure times, where basically everyone is worried about the future (so many things going on), people are even more easily lulled in by the simple, black-and-white-world that the right-wing has to offer. They always have a scapegoat and easy explanantions for all of our problems (we just need to get rid of the muslims! the refugees are making us poor! the gays are taking over the world!)

I think it is basically the came process that helped Hitler to rise like he did. People who are poor and afraid of the future apparently become even more gullible.


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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:11 am 
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interrobang?! wrote:
Living in a country that I feel has has just recently drawn a big line in the sand and said 'we're on the LEFT!' I am particularly troubled by this. Not that I wouldn't be anyway, but damn.

What is this massive jump to the Right? Economics? It seems as if people at large only really trust right-wing govs to deal with the economy. As if that doesn't have knock - on effects socially. It's beyond my ken why anyone but the super - rich/privileged/gob-shiteingly racist would vote for right-wing parties, and even then that would only apply to people without any damn conscience whatsoever.


These populistic right-wing parties all claim to be against the super rich. It's the same way in the Nazis claimed it was Nationalistic Socialism. It never is of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:56 am 
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mumbles wrote:
The general rightward shift in the world is really troubling. Especially since I can't quite put my finger on what's causing it.


I think in Europe one important aspect is the way immigration politics and asylum topics are talked about. This has been overshadowing everything else lately, it's not only Danmark, it's Hungary, France, Germany, etc. European states don't deal well with immigration and the large numbers of refugees who've been coming since what's been going on in Syria, Libya, Eritrea, Afghanistan, etc. Almost all parties talk about how they can stop people from coming or how get rid of those who miraculously made it to the fortress Europe. Refugees are treated like criminals all over Europe. Most parties share the rhetorics of the right wing parties. There's no solidarity, no compassion, no will to help at all. There's always the underlying assumption that refugees and immigrants are freeloaders, sucking our social security systems dry. (It's often assumed they came for "economic reasons", whatever that means.)
In Denmark even the Social Democrats, who were running the last government, placed signs that promted immigrants to assimilate properly (If I remember correctly they said something about how people who live in Danmark have to work.) If politicians are all catering to the idea that we need to get rid of immigrants and refugees and not help them, of course people will vote for those who they thing will do that job most efficiently. Finally the media coverage of muslim fundamentalism plays another big role. It's been blown up to be biggest thread European societies ever faced and hostility and violence towards muslims has been growing like crazy.


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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:10 am 
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Yes, this is really troubling.

My feeling is that in our increasingly insecure times, where basically everyone is worried about the future (so many things going on), people are even more easily lulled in by the simple, black-and-white-world that the right-wing has to offer. They always have a scapegoat and easy explanantions for all of our problems (we just need to get rid of the muslims! the refugees are making us poor! the gays are taking over the world!)

I think it is basically the came process that helped Hitler to rise like he did. People who are poor and afraid of the future apparently become even more gullible.

I think this is so true.
I might add not only the poor.... we have a large movement here of idiots, uh people, who see a return to the military dictatorship (and their right-wing policies) as an answer to our problems. Mostly rich white straight men who did not see their families rounded up and taken away because they didn't toe the line and say the right words, or young men of color shot in the street like rats, or women, gays, African religion practitioners, minorities, and anyone who wasn't a member of the military imprisoned and abused. Or maybe who would be willing to sacrifice democracy (or the poor excuse we have for it here) in order to get rid of "the diversity" that is dirtying up the joint.

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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:40 am 
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In Denmark even the Social Democrats, who were running the last government, placed signs that promted immigrants to assimilate properly (If I remember correctly they said something about how people who live in Danmark have to work.) If politicians are all catering to the idea that we need to get rid of immigrants and refugees and not help them, of course people will vote for those who they thing will do that job most efficiently. Finally the media coverage of muslim fundamentalism plays another big role. It's been blown up to be biggest thread European societies ever faced and hostility and violence towards muslims has been growing like crazy.


This was also true in the UK election. Every party except for the Green party made promises of stoping/slowing down immigration. I am all for changing immigration laws... to make them effective, to actually help people integrate, to let them work (I mean, to give them the possibility to work not to force them), but it's all just fearmongering politics. And the argument against actually bettering the laws instead of stopping immigration full stop are such BS, even if you dont come from a socialist or democratic backround. If people understood economics at all they'd now that immigrants are a good thing to a dying population who doesn't want to do "shitty jobs". Everything they say is not economically sound, it's against human rights, it's complete and utter populistic bs.

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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:59 am 
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Oh and regarding the hostility against muslims. I'm one of those annoying hard core atheists and I'm pretty hostile against organised religion. I find myself defending islam and muslims all the time because people are such hypocrits. We're supposed to live in a non-religious society where everyone is supposed to be free to to practise their belief unless it infringes laws and human rights. And this needs to be true for all religions. Christian fundamentalists scare me just as much as muslim fundamentalist. Whenever people start saying we're a "judeo-christian society" I want to laugh. Really? You antisemitic piece of shiitake want to bring judaism into your boat? Well, it fits nicely since there's hardly any jews living in Germany here. Plus it's an easy way to claim they're not neo-nazis since they're on the "Jews' side" against islam. When in reality it's clear they hate anyone who's different.

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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
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Same problem here in Sweden as well. Slowly and one by one all except the Green Party (of which I'm a member) get more and more immigrant-hostile rhetorics into their speeches and texts. SCARY as HELL ..

It started with the huge successes the Sverigedemokraterna / "Swedish Democrats" (NO democrats IMHO, more influenced by their nasty Nazi roots than they'd ever state publically ...) had - and in order to desperately try to win back some of those who switched to that party the others incorporate a lot of their ideas.

It really is feeling more and more like a nightmare.


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Whenever people start saying we're a "judeo-christian society" I want to laugh.


PEGIDA comes to my mind here. They say this shiitake all the time. Those people have no idea what our society is based on. They only care about their own little conspiracy theory filled world.


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 Post subject: Re: Danish Election Results: Huge Win for the far-right
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I agree helgonblomma, it's scary.

Edited to clarify: both the Danish election and the situation here in Sweden are scary.

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