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 Post subject: Prayer Discounts
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:35 pm 
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One of the few restaurants that has vegan options in my home town is offering discounts to people that pray in public. One less place for me to eat. I wish I could move back to Canada.


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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:51 pm 
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I wonder if they would do that for any prayer. Like if I prayed to Allah, or the Goddess.
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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:03 pm 
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Don't most people pray silently though? Any time I've noticed someone praying before a meal in public they haven't been super showy about it and I didn't know who/what they were praying to.

ETA: I think prayer discounts are weird and my post is not intended to be in any way supportive of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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No, this promotion makes religion look totally dignified.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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finnophile wrote:
I wish I could move back to Canada.

Well it seems like you enjoy living in Canada, so I hope you can get back there too, but to be honest, from my 20 years in Canada, I felt a pretty dang strong christian religious mainstream. I actually feel it way more there (and I do not have a religious family) than I do here in Portland.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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Well hey, the Church of Satan usually has creative ways of getting around these sorts of things. Like the statue of Baphomet to be installed in Oklahoma City, or the new religious exemption from pre-abortion 'counseling' they are offering women in response to the Hobby Lobby ruling. I wonder if they'll come up with a new form of ostentatious prayer.

Oh, that reminds me:

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. --Matthew 6:5

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On the restaurant's Facebook page the owner said it didn't have to even be religious and could just be a moment of meditation or whatever and made a reference to something about chakras. I think it's silly but I'm not offended.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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I went with a friend to pray to the hockey gods. No discount. A couple other ones prayed to different gods and no discount. It makes me kind of sad. I wish the discounts were for doing nice things or something that didn't feel so exclusionary.

A lot of Christians pray to themselves, but the public ones bother me. I've had so much religion forced down my throat in the past week I've become angrier than usual.


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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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I was raised in church, and I don't quite remember the way it was worded, but isn't it supposed to be a sin, or at least frowned upon, to pray in public?

(Especially if it's to get a discount on your food)


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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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Mars wrote:
finnophile wrote:
I wish I could move back to Canada.

Well it seems like you enjoy living in Canada, so I hope you can get back there too, but to be honest, from my 20 years in Canada, I felt a pretty dang strong christian religious mainstream. I actually feel it way more there (and I do not have a religious family) than I do here in Portland.


I'm surprised to hear you say this! Ontario has a remarkably secular mainstream. Perhaps this is because it is the most culturally diverse and highly populated province, and has one of the most culturally diverse cities in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... _diversity), and so culturally we just go the way of letting everyone have their beliefs and generally not talk about it.

I'm always shocked when I hear about the prevalence of religion/religious debates in the US because that's so outside of what I've ever experienced in Canada. Perhaps in the prairies it's different, but I don't live there. Also, I'm not sure Portland is the best representation of the average American city.

Just my perspective!

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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Hollie wrote:
I was raised in church, and I don't quite remember the way it was worded, but isn't it supposed to be a sin, or at least frowned upon, to pray in public?

(Especially if it's to get a discount on your food)


Yep. As a Christian I can't see how any pastor would approve of this. Its very Pharisee-like -outward shows of religion aren't really encouraged. But it seems like the crazy religious people skip that bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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I guess neither Portland nor Ontario is necessarily the best representation for either country's religious mainstramness.

These prayer discounts would stop me from going, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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VeganinBerlin wrote:
I guess neither Portland nor Ontario is necessarily the best representation for either country's religious mainstramness.

These prayer discounts would stop me from going, too.


Well, Portland is a city and Ontario is a large, very populated province that houses the nation's capital.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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I would also say the south-eastern US is more 'open' to such things. They don't call it the bible belt for nothing. If you wanted a more diverse part of the US, you'd need to get out of North Carolina. When we went tubing near Asheville, I was surprised to see a huge asparagus cross of the place where we were tubing but I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. As much as I like NC, I couldn't imagine living there myself due to lack of overall diversity.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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A restaurant near my house just posted a sign saying that if you bring in your program/flyer from church you get 10% off your bill. It reminds me of when you go to the movies and they advertise that if you bring your ticket stub to the nearby pizza place you get a free slice.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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vixki wrote:
Yep. As a Christian I can't see how any pastor would approve of this. Its very Pharisee-like -outward shows of religion aren't really encouraged. But it seems like the crazy religious people skip that bit.


I don't know. It seems that many of your co-religionists (not just the crazies) never got that memo.

"How can you find the vegan religious person at the party?" and all.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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I'm a Christian and I pray at restaurants. But I don't like this at all. Using one's faith to benefit your pocketbook is lame.

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 Post subject: Re: Prayer Discounts
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Hollie wrote:
I was raised in church, and I don't quite remember the way it was worded, but isn't it supposed to be a sin, or at least frowned upon, to pray in public?

(Especially if it's to get a discount on your food)


I don't think they're actually aligning themselves with Christianity, though, so it doesn't seem that relevant.

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This could be prayer or just a moment to breathe & push the busyness of the world away. Who you talk to or meditate on etc. is your business. I have lived in a 3rd world country, there are people starving. We live in a country with an abundance of beautiful food. I NEVER take that for granted. It warms my heart to see people with an attitude of gratitude. Prayer, meditation or just breathing while being grateful opens the heart chakra.


Seems more hippie than bible thumping.

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I wonder how many people are praying for an awkwardly long time to make sure their server sees, or have to find a casual way to bring it up with the server later: "I don't know if you noticed this, but we were praying fervently while you were wrapping silverware."

Also, does this mean servers will get lower tips if customers calculate their tips based on the tab?

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vixki wrote:
Hollie wrote:
I was raised in church, and I don't quite remember the way it was worded, but isn't it supposed to be a sin, or at least frowned upon, to pray in public?

(Especially if it's to get a discount on your food)

Yep. As a Christian I can't see how any pastor would approve of this. Its very Pharisee-like -outward shows of religion aren't really encouraged. But it seems like the crazy religious people skip that bit.


The justification I've heard is that the particular passage in question -- "when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray ... to be seen by others" -- is more about intent than actual practice. You can still pray publicly, just not if your inward intention is "to be seen by others." And there's quite a bit in the New Testament about not being ashamed of one's faith, so you can't even decline to pray publicly without having to examine your inward intentions either.

So, you know, giant guilt sandwich of "pray in public and be a Pharisee" and "not pray in public and show you're ashamed of Jesus."

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FootFace wrote:

I don't know. It seems that many of your co-religionists (not just the crazies) never got that memo.

"How can you find the vegan religious person at the party?" and all.


Seems that way doesn't it? Although personally I've never seen anyone pray in public (unless in a church counts) I guess it's common in the US?

But just like there's a lot of militant vegans, there's militant Christians, and it doesn't mean we all have to be labelled by them does it?


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The justification I've heard is that the particular passage in question -- "when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray ... to be seen by others" -- is more about intent than actual practice. You can still pray publicly, just not if your inward intention is "to be seen by others." And there's quite a bit in the New Testament about not being ashamed of one's faith, so you can't even decline to pray publicly without having to examine your inward intentions either.

So, you know, giant guilt sandwich of "pray in public and be a Pharisee" and "not pray in public and show you're ashamed of Jesus."


Who is doing the guilting here? I've never been told "if you don't pray in public you're ashamed of Jesus"...right, if you were going to pray anyway and you didn't because you were worried about other people around, that'd be being ashamed. But praying in order to get a discount on your food is pretty much the definition of that verse.

Anyway I'm not getting into a religious discussion here. Just saying that, of all the churches I've been to - and I have been to some pretty big evangelicals - none of them would say this is a good thing.

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I've never seen people pray at a restaurant in Quebec either.

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i don`t understand how one type of prayer is better than another. did the waitress have a scorecard? did you not mention the blood of the god of hockey, finnophile?? you have to mention the blood.

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