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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:50 am 
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That would make Romney look totally incompetent. I couldn't say that's never been done, but... It just isn't done.


I think McGovern did it in 1972, but I believe that it was the VP running mate that offered to withdraw (plus McGovern lost, so...). I don't know of an instance since then when it was happened, but I am far from an expert on the subject.

I think the McGovern VP had mental health issues that were "disclosed" by the other side, and that was why he withdrew, or was encouraged to withdraw (I may be wrong here, but I think I read it in Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72)

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That would make Romney look totally incompetent. I couldn't say that's never been done, but... It just isn't done.


I think McGovern did it in 1972, but I believe that it was the VP running mate that offered to withdraw (plus McGovern lost, so...). I don't know of an instance since then when it was happened, but I am far from an expert on the subject.

I think the McGovern VP had mental health issues that were "disclosed" by the other side, and that was why he withdrew, or was encouraged to withdraw (I may be wrong here, but I think I read it in Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72)

ah, that would be the Watergate scandal, wouldn't it?

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I think pulling in Paul Ryan has done what it was supposed to do... nobody's talking about Bain Capital anymore.

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ah, that would be the Watergate scandal, wouldn't it?

Actually, I think not, I think the Eagleton debacle was an independent trainwreck.

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I think pulling in Paul Ryan has done what it was supposed to do... nobody's talking about Bain Capital anymore.


I'm betting this is only a temporary distraction. The focus is indeed now on Ryan and the cuban population in FL though.

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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And we get to talk about how Paul Ryan is a murderer of opportunity.

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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Look, he believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. Which is why he favors a 100% estate tax.

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And Ryan only looks awful to people who already thought Romney looked awful.


I don't know about that. In terms of republicans these days, I don't find Romney to be particularly scary or alarming. This isn't to say I like the guy, but stack him up next to Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, etc? He seems like a great guy in comparison. Ryan is scary and alarming.

My dad, who is not an Obama fan, and increasingly disenchanted with him (though I'm pretty sure he voted for him) has been tepidly supporting Romney for various reasons. He is now saying that he will grudgingly vote for Obama just because of Ryan.

I think this pick will swing a lot of the on-the-fence moderates back to Obama, especially the more fiscally conservative but socially liberal voters. We have scads of them here in Virginia, despite our appalling excuse for a governor.

So, um, good job Romney?

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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Romney changes his point of view depending on his audience. I don't think he has any real principles. I'm mostly concerned about the people he surrounds himself with. We are in for a world of shiitake if Paul Ryan becomes vice president, but I don't think he will. Ryan's views are so extreme they're only going to appeal to the Republican base, and those people were already voting for Romney anyway. Dude is going to be a turnoff for anyone else who is paying any attention.

I mean, unless you like the idea of back alley abortions, starving children, and destitute grandparents. In which case, he's your guy! I'm being hyperbolic, but the guy's policies are seriously scary.


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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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Joan Walsh just shared this: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0 ... al-target/ and it's interesting.

I heard some sound bytes from Ryan's first campaign speech in Iowa. He sounded unconvincing to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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I can't imagine that this pick is going to help Romney at all. Not sure what the plan is. ???

They crash and burn and Obama wins!

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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I feel like this is another Sarah Palin kind of thing. Will there at least be some humor to gain in all of this?

They've already got Bill Hader to play him on SNL.

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I feel like this is another Sarah Palin kind of thing. Will there at least be some humor to gain in all of this?


I don't know...Sarah was funny until she was terrifying. I think he's just starting off at terrifying, so I'm not sure what comes after that.

When Sarah came out, I was like, well, at least it can't get worse than this. I jinxed us all. I'm sorry.

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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I keep thinking he looks like Gabe from the office. I think it's mostly the hair and the general dweebishness.

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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There is a disadvantage to having someone super far right on your team. My grandparents are pretty hardcore Republicans and vote Republican in every election. When Paladino was running for the governor position here in NY, he was essentially the only Republican running and he made such an asparagus out of himself that my grandparents ended up voting democrat for the governorship.

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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Yep its like a Sarah pick, Ryan had to be the worst pick of all, I can't wait for the debates!


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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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It wasn't terrible it was BOLD AND BRAVE.

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I learned today on the Tweeter that "Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan" is an anagram for "My ultimate Ayn Rand Porn". Day made.

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I love what the Rude Pundit says about Paul Ryan.

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I love what the Rude Pundit says about Paul Ryan.


That was great. Thanks for posting.

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Paul Ryan believes in equality of opportunity, which means everyone should be born into a seven million dollar trust fund.

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That isn't fair. If you don't inherit money you can always marry it!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/1 ... 74346.html

I'm always surprised when women who have achieved a great deal professionally then turn around and want to put obstacles in the way of other women doing the same thing.
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Janna Ryan was introduced to America on Saturday as a stay-at-home mom who has raised three children while her husband, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), built a career in Washington.

But the wife of Mitt Romney's vice presidential pick spent a decade in Washington herself, first as a congressional aide and then as a corporate lobbyist, whose clients included the cigar industry, a logging company, drugmakers, the health insurance industry and a nuclear power plant.

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Ah, that whole "equal opportunity, not equal outcome" thing peas me off so much.

It sounds great on paper, and I agree with it (we cant possibly ensure equal outcomes because that is a factor of what an individual does, but we can do our best to provide equal opportunities so that the outcomes are attainable) "equal opportunity" doesnt mean what they think it means. Can we make all of these people go teach in a low SES school district for a week? And then let them come talk about "equal opportunity?"

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 Post subject: Re: Romney picks Paul Ryan as his VP
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Dude intends to cut the non-defense research budget by 5%, since we all know that no one needs new treatments for diseases that aren't profitable or protection for the environment and other such nonsense.


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I keep thinking he looks like Gabe from the office. I think it's mostly the hair and the general dweebishness.


I think he looks like Alfred E. Neumann.

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