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 Post subject: UK General Election 2015
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:41 pm 
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I thought we needed a thread!

How's everyone feeling about it with a week to go? I'm excited to see what happens in Scotland. Mike and I were just talking about how hilarious it is that the English Con/Lab leaders and mainstream media were so afraid of Alex Salmond, and now they're contending with someone who's so popular, she could probably win seats in England.

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The Fail has been more entertaining than ever with their fear of the "Wee Terror" or whatever the name is this week. One day she's the most dangerous woman on the planet; the next she's not to be taken seriously because someone did a painting of her in a dominatrix outfit. But none of this is news right now because, "RED ED TRIPS TRYING TO LEAVE THE STAGE!!!!"


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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 5:43 am 
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It's my first time voting as I just missed being old enough for the last one. The seat I'm in is a marginal one though I do feel a bit guilty as we are moving out in a couple of months. But researching all this has shown how ridiculous some constituencies are. My parents (and my brothers) constituency has been in the same hands for more than 150 years!

I think the whole media thing is a bit silly. As a marginal town we get all the party buses popping in and taking photos with "ordinary people" to try to look good. Half the leaflets through the door are "Vote for us! (Because we're not them)".

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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I'm feeling... disillusioned. I reallyreallyreallyreallyreally don't want those Conservative croissants to get back into power, but then Labour are only marginally less croissant -esque so it's sort of a lose/slightly-less-lose situation, which is a bit pants.

To make it worse, I live in a true blue Tory strong seat -- in our fair PM, D.C.'s constituency, no less :( -- so my vote won't really count for anything, which is double pants.

So, in conclusion, they're all a bunch of eejits. Also... pants.

(And, this is why I didn't go into political journalism...)

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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If you live in a safe seat it's a good chance to vote for a smaller party that your views align with - if they get more than 5% iof the constituency vote they get their deposit back. Also the more votes overall this time the more presence they'll have in the next five years :)

I did the quiz at the vote for policies site and got 60% green, 40% lib dems, of course neither have a chance here but still. I feel like a vote for either could be wasted if I don't manage to keep the Tories out.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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I just did the test on https://voteforpolicies.org.uk and on the "immigration" question there was only one option that wasn't completely horrible. This is depressing stuff.

I had Green Party 70%, Liberal Democrats 20% & Conservatives 10%. Apparently I clicked the conservative one for welfare?? That seems like I misunderstood something there.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 12:06 pm 
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To make it worse, I live in a true blue Tory strong seat


This is me too. My constituency has been Tory as far back as anyone can remember and then some. Apart from the big three, the other candidates here are Green, UKIP and English Democrats. The last two are out for obvious reasons and hell would freeze over before I would vote Tory. The Lib Dems lost all credibility after they climbed into bed with the devil (and the tuition fees debacle), so that leaves Labour and the Greens. Although I agree with some of the Green Party's policies, I'm not totally convinced that they have moved far enough away from basically being a one-issue party. I wish Labour was still the Tony Benn/Michael Foot/John Smith party I used to love.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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A sketch on Dead Ringers has just referred to the Russell Brand/Ed Miliband interview as "Frost/Nixon in plasticine form", which made me laugh inordinately.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 4:28 pm 
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This is me too. My constituency has been Tory as far back as anyone can remember and then some. Apart from the big three, the other candidates here are Green, UKIP and English Democrats. The last two are out for obvious reasons and hell would freeze over before I would vote Tory. The Lib Dems lost all credibility after they climbed into bed with the devil (and the tuition fees debacle), so that leaves Labour and the Greens. Although I agree with some of the Green Party's policies, I'm not totally convinced that they have moved far enough away from basically being a one-issue party. I wish Labour was still the Tony Benn/Michael Foot/John Smith party I used to love.

Full disclosure: I'm a Green and have been since before I moved to the UK. That said, I'm a Green because they aren't a one-issue party. I can't speak to specifics of GPEW policy, but I think they mostly line up with SGP policy on things like a £10 minimum wage (but ultimately a citizen's wage), higher taxes for businesses and the wealthy, getting rid of Trident, keeping the NHS free at point of access, and fairer immigration and asylum laws. I think the media want to focus on the Greens' crunchy hippie environmentalist side, but they're a lot more than that.

I know it's not likely, but I wish there would be enough smaller party MPs that they could push electoral reform and get rid of FPTP.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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Full disclosure: I've voted Green ever since I've been able to vote.

The Greens definitely aren't a single issue party! I've been lucky enough to be a Brighton Pavillion voter for years and have had the chance to speak to Caroline about a number of issues and the Green's policies on Trident, the minimum wage, social housing, the NHS etc all align with my views. I'm also reading Caroline's book right now and it really lays out the ammount of rad things she's managed to do since becoming an MP - I am especially impressed with the ways she's dismantling sexism within the system at Westminster.

I am gutted that when I left the country in January I had to change my postal address, and therefor my voting address, to my sister in law's house which means I now have to vote in a super conservative safe tory (Ha, my phone autocorrected that to tofu!) seat rather than being able to vote for Caroline to be re-elected. I will still be voting Green though for the reasons vixki mentioned but if I was in a Tory / Labour marginal I would probably be voting labour to get rid of the Torys. I have no idea what I'd do in a Tory / Lib Dem marginal because uuuuugh.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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I certainly hope people vote ... especially women ... it makes me so cross when speaking with young people & hearing them say they are not going to vote. I remind them there are countries in this world where people long to get a vote & that it was not all that long ago when we women did not have that right ... VOTE!

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2015 1:19 am 
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I'm with you on that teacup. I think a lot of young people see not voting as a protest against the options that are out there and, for some people, as a protest against the whole system of government. But not doing something is not really a protest! I can't believe how many times I have to explain this to people, if you aren't showing up and spoiling your ballot paper your "protest" isn't being counted and you just get added to the pile of apathetic non-voters.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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Thanks for the perspective on the Greens. I have been doing some more reading on them (and trying to plough my way through the other main manifestos). Still undecided: the only one in my constituency who has come even close to the Tories in the past is the Lib Dem, and I really don't think I can vote for him. So it will be Labour, Green or spoiling my ballot paper I think. Still haven't been canvassed by anyone other than the Lib Dems.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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I agree with you guys on the necessity of voting. But I have been trying to convince my brother to vote, and I honestly can't think of a good argument to why he isn't wasting his time - aside from the possibility that one of the smaller parties might meet their 5% quota. As I said earlier in the thread, his constituency has been Tory since 1841. I looked up the last election figures and they got over twice as many votes as the next closest party (Lib Dems). ThIs is a constituency where you will run into fox hunts when you go for a walk, you'll hear farmers taking pot shots at pheasants constantly, and it's not likely to change. I don't know what to say to him because it's a damn shame that he is stuck having to vote in such an area.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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I'm voting green. I know they'd never win in my constituency which has always had a strong labour hold, but I'm voting for what I feel is right (even though our local green candidate is very lacking in experience....he won't get in anyway!)
I agree with almost all of their policies, and they are the only party to oppose fracking, which is scary.
I wish Caroline Lucas was my local MP! And she is a much better leader than Natalie Bennett.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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Yeah, I'm glad GPEW and SGP are separate parties because our leaders are great (Patrick Harvey is a wee firebrand). Natalie Bennett came up to speak at an event during the referendum and was good, but I just don't think she was prepared for the demands that have come about because of the surge in membership.

Sadly, I can't vote in this election, but I should have my citizenship situation sorted for Holyrood next year. That'll be exciting!

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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I just dug out my Poll card ready to vote. I will get home from work at 7 pm and won't feel up to going after that so I'm planning on going as soon as they open at 7 am.
I'm voting Green as well.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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All things being equal I'd vote Green too, but I live in a Tory/Labour marginal (currently Tory sadly) so I always vote Labour.


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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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I just can't with this election any more. I've gone through every emotion over the past few weeks and I'm just completely scunnered at this point. I put in for Friday off work with the intention of staying up all night hoping for many 'Portillo' moments here but I'm kinda swithering about even that now as I've gotten really down about it of late- I need to stop reading the press is what, it's very much Project Fear 2.0.

It's clear the Tories, with their pals in the right-wing press, are already setting in the ground work to 'steal' the election even if they don't win a working majority cobbled together with various even further Right fringe groups such as the UKIPS and the DUP. This wholesale delegitimising of Scottish voters if we don't do what we're told and vote who we're meant to vote for is hardly helped by Labour's desperate clutching at straws and Miliband's refusal on telly recently to work with the SNP in any capacity. We're expected to vote for Labour to provide a bunch of lobby fodder year after year while the MPs elected to absolutely fork all for the constituents they're supposed to be representing. Well, baws to all that.

I vote Green in Holyrood, but having lived in one of Labour's 'rotten boroughs' in Glasgow my entire voting life, there has never been a look-in for any other party where Westminster is concerned. And the incumbent Labour guy in this constituency is forking terrible. So, for the first time in my life i'm going to be voting SNP as the way to get rid of him. And he is absolutely a goner.

Oooh, typing that all I just began to get a wee bit excited again! Seriously, emotions all over the shop. Bring on Thursday!

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election 2015
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Well I have already voted as I have a postal vote. Tories were never going to get my vote (because, well Tories and also our MP voted against gay marriage using the slippery slope to polygamy argument) and the Labour guy tried to scare me away from voting Green because it was because it was between them and the Tories and voting Green might mean the Tories get in, um fork you buddy.

I think our constituency will stay Tory. Damn I want to watch David Cameron move out of Number 10, shortly follwed by IDS being charged with genocide.

I also don't know whether Clegg wil go back to being Cameron's courtesan?

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A friend of mine on FB posted that there was some kind of shenanigans going on with postal votes. She got at least 3 replies from people saying they never got their postal voting stuff (I don't really know how it works), with one guy being unable to vote any other way and effectively being disenfranchised. Anyone else have or know about any issues with postal votes?

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Well I have already voted as I have a postal vote. Tories were never going to get my vote (because, well Tories and also our MP voted against gay marriage using the slippery slope to polygamy argument) and the Labour guy tried to scare me away from voting Green because it was because it was between them and the Tories and voting Green might mean the Tories get in, um fork you buddy.

I think our constituency will stay Tory. Damn I want to watch David Cameron move out of Number 10, shortly follwed by IDS being charged with genocide.

I also don't know whether Clegg wil go back to being Cameron's courtesan?

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Likewise my local Tory MP voted against gay marriage. Just one more to hope she gets her marching orders tomorrow, but sadly it seems as if she is now predicted to keep the seat.

On a related note I do get tired of hearing how it was the Tories (not Labour) who legalised gay marriage when the majority of the parliamentary Conservative party in fact voted against the bill & Cameron needed votes from the other parties to get it passed.


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The only leaflet I've got all season from the Tories actually said that my MP supports same sex marriage, which I thought was an oddly specific leaflet but hey I guess it's better than the opposite.

That being said I have had endless leaflets from Labour (five in the last two days! And the campaigners knocking on the door!), a couple from the Greens and UKIP going over their general policies and...that one single leaflet with a big photo of Nicky Morgan saying she supports same sex marriage. For a supposedly marginal seat they don't seem to be bothering much. Not that I'm complaining.

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We've had loads from Labour, including a form letter mailed directly to my husband (who, afaik, has never voted Labour, though I suppose it was probably sent out to all registered voters in the area). Otherwise I don't think we've had much else from other parties - one from SNP, one from a non-SSP socialist candidate, maybe one from UKIP and/or the Tories (I can't remember).

To speculate on Mat's question, I'm pretty sure Clegg would offer himself up to anyone who would take him. Not that it matters much considering how badly the LibDems are projected to do.

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We have Arthur Pendragon, King of the Druids, standing again as an independent. His is the only leaflet I bothered to read before I recycled them.

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