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Let's start with today's disaster:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/01/us/su ... .html?_r=0

Justice Ginsburg's awesomest line from her dissent (starts on p.60 http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/06 ... g-document):

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Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,' the very 'risk the [Constitution's] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude.


And a terrible (immediate?) extension of the ruling:

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2014/0 ... bby-ruling

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I have so much anger and frustration that I can't articulate it all.
We are no longer what we were as a country. I am disgusted and angry.

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I don't even know where to start.

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In 2014, the U.S. Supreme Court is more convinced that corporations are people than that women are.

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Fox is already using the Aereo ruling to go after Dish Network for their Hopper again.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014 ... g-service/


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Fox is already using the Aereo ruling to go after Dish Network for their Hopper again.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014 ... g-service/


I hope that's heard by a tech savvy judge. (Do those exist? Maybe they exist in the same way other judges (see above) don't.)

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brian wrote:
Fox is already using the Aereo ruling to go after Dish Network for their Hopper again.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014 ... g-service/


I hope that's heard by a tech savvy judge. (Do those exist? Maybe they exist in the same way other judges (see above) don't.)

Spoiler alert:
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There are no tech-savvy judges. We're talking about a branch of government that's just now getting around to email.


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Maybe the questions we need to be asking is how to we regain our power as people?
Clearly the vote is not working. Boycotts only seem to work in small scale.
Where do we go from here?

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brian wrote:
lutin wrote:
brian wrote:
Fox is already using the Aereo ruling to go after Dish Network for their Hopper again.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014 ... g-service/


I hope that's heard by a tech savvy judge. (Do those exist? Maybe they exist in the same way other judges (see above) don't.)

Spoiler alert:
Spoiler: show
There are no tech-savvy judges. We're talking about a branch of government that's just now getting around to email.


Normally I would agree with you, but the Federal system is actually pretty capable at this point- with a few exceptions, all filings, docketing, and communications are all electronic. The Northern District of California covers Silicon Valley and those judges are pretty well versed in technology civil suits by now. This case in particular is being heard in the 9th Appellate District, which leads me to think the underlying case was probably originally filed in the Northern District of CA.

You want to talk state courts, I have no end of shiitake to talk.

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I'm just hoping the feds implement some sort of workaround. UGH.


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I read some comments.

That was a mistake.

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Definitely got into a discussion with a recent friend about Hobby Lobby who then told me that corporations should have religious freedom because of corporate personhood and I don't think we're friends anymore.

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The owner of Hobby Lobby has religious freedom to not use birth control. All of their employees have the same freedom. I know i'm preaching to the choir here but I just can't believe that the highest level of the judiciary branch basically told every business in America that they have the right to tell their employees that they have to follow the religious beliefs of the owners.

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So my friend basically revealed to me that she's fiscally conservative but doesn't like to talk about it because sometimes her political opinions get in the way of friendships because people can't separate them or whatever. I think the idea that political opinions are not personal and can be separated from other things is actually the crux of the problem with fiscal conservatism! Sorry that's a tangent I'm just upset.

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If you believe that I shouldn't be getting a $79 a month subsidy so that I can (barely) afford health care because I can't find a job with benefits even though I have worked my asparagus off to do so, that's personal and I don't want to be your friend.

Sorry I know I'm really derailing here.

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No, it's okay!

I think it's totally possible to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. At my last job, I thought one of my co-workers was conservative for a long time because my boss would stand in the back and go on long political rants/regurgitate what he heard on Fox news and no one would really challenge him, until this birth control thing started and he was trying to talk to that co-worker about it and my co-worker said, "I'd rather pay for someones birth control than their baby. I know it's a religious issue for you, but it's not for me."

And that's the thing. We aren't supposed to teach kids about birth control, we aren't supposed to use birth control, if we get pregnant we are supposed to keep the baby, but once the baby is here we (according to most anti-choice people) aren't supposed to get any assistance because we shouldn't...have babies we can't take care of or whatever?

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You're supposed to keep your knees together, obviously.

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Yeah, one of my friends just posted that she doesn't want to pay for peoples birth control because it makes them be whores. What? And who cares?

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You should ask your friend if she's an insurance company.

A girl I went to high school with was complaining about cramps, and a friend of mine told her she should get on the pill because it really helped her. The first girl said she couldn't use the pill because it was against her religion (Catholic). If you aren't having sex, the pill isn't preventing any possible pregnancies. And if you ARE having pre-marital sex, that's against your religion too.

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I had a friend in high school whose mother wouldn't let her use birth control for her cramps bc it was against their religion. Despite my friend's doctor's recommendation. So ridiculous.

I don't think I've ever actually been in a hobby lobby store, so I can't even righteously boycott. If I ever need to take plan b again, though, I'm going to take it while standing in a hobby lobby store, though. TAKE THAT.


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We have a Hobby Lobby here, but Joann's is much closer. I've known I shouldn't shop there for years, but this really sealed it. I only shop there about twice a year anyway.

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We aren't supposed to teach kids about birth control, we aren't supposed to use birth control, if we get pregnant we are supposed to keep the baby, but once the baby is here we (according to most anti-choice people) aren't supposed to get any assistance because we shouldn't...have babies we can't take care of or whatever?
Yup. That's about the size of it. Isn't it striking how often "religious freedom" means "men telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies"? And isn't it interesting how the very same conservatives who decry "interference" in people's lives when it's meant to help them (see: the ACA) have no problem whatsoever allowing that interference into other people's bedrooms if it means restricting women's reproductive rights and choices? The Lard sure does work in mysterious ways!
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I don't think I've ever actually been in a hobby lobby store, so I can't even righteously boycott. If I ever need to take plan b again, though, I'm going to take it while standing in a hobby lobby store, though. TAKE THAT.
Make sure you do it near all the cheezy white bridal stuff, and then post a film!

"The same religious exemption to the Affordable Care Act that applies to nonprofit organizations also applies to for-profit companies controlled by a small group of people who think birth control is black magic. This ruling applies to hors d'oeuvre pills only."

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My mind boggles at the whole corporate personhood thing.

But I stand behind my statement that being fiscally conservative makes you conservative. The whole do what you want with your personal life (even if that means all the gay sex, same gender marriage, abortion having, pagan moon rituals you can stand) but I don't want to pay taxes for (healthcare, schools, food stamps, etc) is a conservative position. Pure and simple.


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The thing is that Hobby Lobby and other companies because of their size were already paying for healthcare. This isn't a change to that, is it? Sure you can say outright you don't want to pay for healthcare but that is how our government is built. Corporations are expected to take care of employees with healthcare and other benefits because the government doesn't so that they don't have to pay taxes for universal healthcare. The only change is that the government here has deemed birth control to be an essential part of healthcare. Overall, providing birth control should actually bring costs down for a business. It would reduce time off, it would reduce additional health care coverage for children, etc. Not providing birth control isn't a fiscal decision it is a decision about controlling what a woman can and can't do.

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