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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:36 pm 
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What are the privacy issues? The only difference would be the dollar amount paid at the pharmacy.

The privacy issue is that my employer's misogyny, er, religion should have no bearing on my medical care and they should not have any knowledge whatsoever if I am taking Plan B every forking day while snorting viagra.*

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Roe vs. Wade is a privacy case.

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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Sure, but they don't know what you are or aren't taking. The insurance company just isn't paying for it. I see lots of things wrong with it, but not a specific privacy issue. There are always long lists of things not covered under various plans, for various reasons, so this wouldn't be any different in terms of how such things are handled. HIPPA doesn't go anywhere. Your insurance company already knows everything you do with your health insurance.

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I actually agree with them on this. I don't think that health coverage should be tied to employment. I can only assume that if they're fighting this, they're advocating a single payer public health service.


Yeah they aren't doing that. They are saying they will cover healthcare for their employees but they refuse to cover birth control.

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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Ok so this probably doesn't make sense, bur here goes.
Under my health plan I pay part and my employer pays part. And then that money goes into a pool of which most it ends up as some CEO's profits, and some part of it covers my healthcare, after I pay all the required co-payments and deductibles. For my birth control my insurance pays like $5 and I have to pay out of pocket the other $30 something bucks. And part of those few dollars that the insurance company covers is from my contribution. So after you look at all this how much are these companies actually paying towards someone's birth control? 0.0003 cents? And couldn't we just say that they employee contribution part covers the birth control? Because the reality is that both parties pay for insurance but very little of that money actually goes towards people's health care.
I guess I don't understand how exactly they think they are "paying" for birth control, because I have insurance and pay for the bulk of my birth control, the insurance company covers very little. And since the monies go into a giant pool no one is directly paying for anything.


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that pool pays for viagra!! a whole pool of viagra!

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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The problem is that this isn't about logic. It's about foisting their moral and religious views on everybody, specifically women.

A lot of the personhood legislation attempts also contain language that could limit access to certain types of contraception.

I honestly feel that a large part of this sort of thing is really just all about punishing women. They don't feel that women deserve or should have bodily autonomy, and women shouldn't be having sex out of marriage and only then if they are willing to have a gazillion children in their quiver.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:42 am 
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Ok so this probably doesn't make sense, bur here goes.
Under my health plan I pay part and my employer pays part. And then that money goes into a pool of which most it ends up as some CEO's profits, and some part of it covers my healthcare, after I pay all the required co-payments and deductibles. For my birth control my insurance pays like $5 and I have to pay out of pocket the other $30 something bucks. And part of those few dollars that the insurance company covers is from my contribution. So after you look at all this how much are these companies actually paying towards someone's birth control? 0.0003 cents? And couldn't we just say that they employee contribution part covers the birth control? Because the reality is that both parties pay for insurance but very little of that money actually goes towards people's health care.
I guess I don't understand how exactly they think they are "paying" for birth control, because I have insurance and pay for the bulk of my birth control, the insurance company covers very little. And since the monies go into a giant pool no one is directly paying for anything.

One of the provisions of the ACA requires qualifying insurance plans to cover birth control (along with a bunch of other essential preventative care) without co-payment or deductible.

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:59 am 
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Ok so this probably doesn't make sense, bur here goes.
Under my health plan I pay part and my employer pays part. And then that money goes into a pool of which most it ends up as some CEO's profits, and some part of it covers my healthcare, after I pay all the required co-payments and deductibles. For my birth control my insurance pays like $5 and I have to pay out of pocket the other $30 something bucks. And part of those few dollars that the insurance company covers is from my contribution. So after you look at all this how much are these companies actually paying towards someone's birth control? 0.0003 cents? And couldn't we just say that they employee contribution part covers the birth control? Because the reality is that both parties pay for insurance but very little of that money actually goes towards people's health care.
I guess I don't understand how exactly they think they are "paying" for birth control, because I have insurance and pay for the bulk of my birth control, the insurance company covers very little. And since the monies go into a giant pool no one is directly paying for anything.

One of the provisions of the ACA requires qualifying insurance plans to cover birth control (along with a bunch of other essential preventative care) without co-payment or deductible.

Yea tell that to my insurance company. I asked at the pharmacy and they said that that was what my insurance covered. Only a few brands / tiers are apparently covered by the new changes. And I'm still getting bills for preventative stuff. I have to call the insurance company again.


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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:05 am 
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It only applies to new plans since August 2012, so yours might not be one of them.

But I suspect that has something to do with why Michael Potter is having a pout.

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And update, plus statements (?) from Eden's CEO:
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/15/eden_fo ... l_outrage/


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Here's Potter's response to the Salon article:

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/15/eden_fo ... singleton/

It's...pretty dumb.

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:30 am 
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Yeah, something tells me he would have been better off if he hadn't made that statement.


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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:39 am 
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he's digging himself quite a hole there, but i guess we're in agreement that if i'm not on birth control or having a baby, i should be able to transfer that coverage to my long underwear fund. that's the warmest and fuzziest coverage of all.

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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I can't see anything at all possibly arbitrary or capricious about the warm 'n' fuzzy standard.

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yeah, damn, I can't get over that warm n fuzzy comment.

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I floated by him the fact that contraceptive coverage is cheaper to pay for than, say, maternity coverage.

Potter replied, “One’s got a little more warmth and fuzziness to it than the other, for crying out loud.”

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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mumbles wrote:
It only applies to new plans since August 2012, so yours might not be one of them.

But I suspect that has something to do with why Michael Potter is having a pout.

That's probably it. My boss is cool, so I may mention it and see if we can switch and switch back or something.

Read the article and his reasoning makes even less sense. because the federal government told him to? The federal government also told him he has to provide sick days, and pay a minimum wage, yadda yadda.

But this really got me "Because I’m a man, number one and it’s really none of my business what women do" followed by “I’m not trying to get birth control out of Rite Aid or Wal-Mart, but don’t tell me I gotta pay for it.”
I wonder how one engages in sex with a woman with this attitude. Presumably he doesn't care if she uses birth control or not, so I guess he doesn't care if she gets pregnant, or not. And I guess if she asks him to chip in for birth control, since it takes two people to have sex, the answer is no! He's not responsible for his sperm and what they do and don't ask him to spend money controlling those guys.


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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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omg the warm and fuzzy thing is too much. He should have just stayed silent.

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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i'm sure there are plenty of kids in the foster care system who don't think it's soft and fuzzy.

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 Post subject: Re: Eden Foods is suing to get out of covering contraception
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Here is today's statement from the President of Eden Foods:

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17 April 2013

Greetings,

Please be discerning consumers. Grotesque mischaracterizations about Eden Foods' action related to the Health & Human Services (HHS) mandate, Affordable Care Act, are most regrettable.

On March 21st, 2013 a press release announced our lawsuit against the unconstitutional government overreach in the HHS mandate. This announcement was made to the media and general public. We apologize for the unintended consternation given rise to by this action.

Eden Foods' health care provider is required by the HHS to comply with all details of the Affordable Care Act. Parts of the mandate violate the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the Administrative Procedure Act. This overreach of the federal government infringes on religious freedoms.

It is discriminatory that not all employers have to comply with the HHS mandate. Millions of people and thousands of companies are exempt. The exemptions under the Act are illogical, inconsistent, and contributing factors to our lawsuit. For instance, McDonald's Inc. and 166 unions are exempt. Small employers are exempt. Individuals who practice certain faiths are exempt, while individuals who practice other faiths are not. Federal employees are exempt, and this is hypocritical. There is no exemption for the religious freedoms of employers.

Eden employee benefits include health, dental, vision, life, and a fifty percent 401k match. The benefits have not funded "lifestyle drugs," an insurance industry drug classification that includes contraceptives, Viagra, smoking cessation, weight-loss, infertility, impotency, etc. This entire plan is managed with a goal of long-term sustainability.

We believe in a woman's right to decide, and have access to, all aspects of their health care and reproductive management. This lawsuit does not block, or intend to block, anyone's access to health care or reproductive management. This lawsuit is about protecting religious freedom and stopping the government from forcing citizens to violate their conscience. We object to the HHS mandate and its government overreach.

This is an important matter that deserves attention from us all.

Our actions have been, and will remain, principled and transparent. Eden's focus is pure food, ethical business practice, and the nurturing of all people and the planet.

Respectfully,
Michael Potter, President

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Favorite part = mansplaining the same exact shiitake over and over. No, we got it the first time, apparently being a woman is a lifestyle choice.

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My new favorite game: refreshing Eden's Facebook page and watching the "likes" go down.

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Favorite part = mansplaining the same exact shiitake over and over. No, we got it the first time, apparently being a woman is a lifestyle choice.


I agree that he is only rehashing Eden's position . I don't agree with your use of "mansplaining" or him saying that being a woman is a lifestyle choice. The letter states that Eden also does not support paying for viagra or other impotency medications.

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i'm curious about how he thinks their actions have been mischaracterized. he admits that this lawsuit is about protecting religious freedom, which sure sounds like an admission that they have a specific objection to enabling access to birth control, which is something he more or less stated outright in the Salon interview. he doesn't seem to understand the difference between having a right to practice religion freely and having a right to impose your religious practice on other individuals.

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We believe in a woman's right to decide, and have access to, all aspects of their health care and reproductive management. This lawsuit does not block, or intend to block, anyone's access to health care or reproductive management. This lawsuit is about protecting religious freedom and stopping the government from forcing citizens to violate their conscience. We object to the HHS mandate and its government overreach.



Hey that's cool, I believe in a right to decide what brands of food to buy, too. And yesterday, I was about to pick up a box of Eden when I needed some shelf-stable soy milk, and then I bought a different brand instead.


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