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 Post subject: BREAKING NEWS: Internet trolls are also shitty people
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:30 pm 
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2453609,00.asp

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"[T]rolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores," they wrote. Which is to say, the respondents who identified themselves as trolls also indicated that they enjoy making others suffer, lack remorse and empathy, and have no problem with manipulating and lying to people to achieve their ends.


The "good news" is that only 5% of people who comment in forums enjoy trolling.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:57 pm 
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It just does not shock me. I knew one who would do it in real life too; it was awful. So glad my friend broke up with him


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I was really surprised to read one piece by a woman who was fatshamed by a ton of internet trolls, and then looked up their IP addresses and found that a lot of them were women. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/my_emba ... ent_viral/

I don't know why that surprised me so much, but it does.

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Not very surprising. If that's your way of "letting out steam" or whatever people claim if they get caught doing it, you must be a pretty bad person.


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I knew a vegan who told me he'd write troll-y arguments on vegan-related subjects and then reply to them himself, tearing down the stupidity of what he'd just said, so that people following the argument would have their assumptions challenged. Every time I see a really stupid anti-vegan comment I wonder if it's actually a vegan "helping".

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dropscone wrote:
I knew a vegan who told me he'd write troll-y arguments on vegan-related subjects and then reply to them himself, tearing down the stupidity of what he'd just said, so that people following the argument would have their assumptions challenged. Every time I see a really stupid anti-vegan comment I wonder if it's actually a vegan "helping".

That wouldn't actually be trolling in the sense that the article is talking about, but that is annoying!


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Tofulish wrote:
I was really surprised to read one piece by a woman who was fatshamed by a ton of internet trolls, and then looked up their IP addresses and found that a lot of them were women. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/my_emba ... ent_viral/

I don't know why that surprised me so much, but it does.


I think it's mostly women who do this because of the beauty standards they are exposed to. If they have accepted that being thin is the norm and that that is what you should constantly work on, they will punish those who don't think so, especially other women.


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 Post subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Internet trolls are also shitty people
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bastah wrote:
dropscone wrote:
I knew a vegan who told me he'd write troll-y arguments on vegan-related subjects and then reply to them himself, tearing down the stupidity of what he'd just said, so that people following the argument would have their assumptions challenged. Every time I see a really stupid anti-vegan comment I wonder if it's actually a vegan "helping".

That wouldn't actually be trolling in the sense that the article is talking about, but that is annoying!

What I mean is he'd create two accounts, a "troll" one and a "rational vegan" to argue against the fictional other person.

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Mihl wrote:
Tofulish wrote:
I was really surprised to read one piece by a woman who was fatshamed by a ton of internet trolls, and then looked up their IP addresses and found that a lot of them were women. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/my_emba ... ent_viral/

I don't know why that surprised me so much, but it does.
I think it's mostly women who do this because of the beauty standards they are exposed to. If they have accepted that being thin is the norm and that that is what you should constantly work on, they will punish those who don't think so, especially other women.
I'd also guess that some of those vituperative reactions are based at least partly in fear. In a culture where many women are conditioned to be terrified by the idea of gaining (or even not losing) weight, someone who not only doesn't abide by but actively flouts and pushes back against those "rules" can present a pretty threatening spectacle, because they call everything we're told is the "right" way to think about our bodies into question.

Which I think can also apply to internet trolling in general: it often seems like people who feel the need to swoop in and pick others to pieces are probably pretty insecure and anxious, hence the need to put down, insult, one-up, or otherwise crepe on everything they see. It allows them to vent aggression and negative feelings, they're invisible and anonymous, and there are basically no consequences, since even negative attention is better than none at all.

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 Post subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Internet trolls are also shitty people
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Desdemona wrote:

Which I think can also apply to internet trolling in general: it often seems like people who feel the need to swoop in and pick others to pieces are probably pretty insecure and anxious, hence the need to put down, insult, one-up, or otherwise crepe on everything they see. It allows them to vent aggression and negative feelings, they're invisible and anonymous, and there are basically no consequences, since even negative attention is better than none at all.


I am currently dealing with a real life troll. Someone who is so mired in their own misery that the only happiness or pleasure they seem to get is through being a very typical internet troll, just in real life. And because everyone around him knows he is so miserable, they laugh it off and say "oh Haha, he is just trolling you." But no one will challenge that. Not even those closest to him. (I do and have been being avoided like the plague because of it)

Yes, he is, much like the monster under the bridge.

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 Post subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Internet trolls are also shitty people
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kfad wrote:
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Which I think can also apply to internet trolling in general: it often seems like people who feel the need to swoop in and pick others to pieces are probably pretty insecure and anxious, hence the need to put down, insult, one-up, or otherwise crepe on everything they see. It allows them to vent aggression and negative feelings, they're invisible and anonymous, and there are basically no consequences, since even negative attention is better than none at all.
I am currently dealing with a real life troll. Someone who is so mired in their own misery that the only happiness or pleasure they seem to get is through being a very typical internet troll, just in real life. And because everyone around him knows he is so miserable, they laugh it off and say "oh Haha, he is just trolling you." But no one will challenge that. Not even those closest to him. (I do and have been being avoided like the plague because of it)

Yes, he is, much like the monster under the bridge.
Yeah, I used to work with a man like this, and I still know him in a superficial social way; in his case, he does it in real life and online. It's like he brings his own permanent bad weather system with him, and people write it off as, "Oh, that's just his schtick," or whatever, but he really sucks the positive energy out of whatever environment he's in. Everything sucks, he's not responsible for any of the things he's unhappy, dissatisfied, or frustrated about, everyone is less intelligent, less educated, and less deserving of everything than he is, yet the injustice of the universe gives them all the breaks, blahblahblah. I hid him on FB ages ago, and whenever I run into him somewhere I'm at pains to be on the other side of the room after the briefest of greetings.

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Desdemona wrote:
Mihl wrote:
Tofulish wrote:
I was really surprised to read one piece by a woman who was fatshamed by a ton of internet trolls, and then looked up their IP addresses and found that a lot of them were women. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/my_emba ... ent_viral/

I don't know why that surprised me so much, but it does.
I think it's mostly women who do this because of the beauty standards they are exposed to. If they have accepted that being thin is the norm and that that is what you should constantly work on, they will punish those who don't think so, especially other women.
I'd also guess that some of those vituperative reactions are based at least partly in fear. In a culture where many women are conditioned to be terrified by the idea of gaining (or even not losing) weight, someone who not only doesn't abide by but actively flouts and pushes back against those "rules" can present a pretty threatening spectacle, because they call everything we're told is the "right" way to think about our bodies into question.

Which I think can also apply to internet trolling in general: it often seems like people who feel the need to swoop in and pick others to pieces are probably pretty insecure and anxious, hence the need to put down, insult, one-up, or otherwise crepe on everything they see. It allows them to vent aggression and negative feelings, they're invisible and anonymous, and there are basically no consequences, since even negative attention is better than none at all.


Yes to all of this. You said it much better than me.


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Desdemona wrote:
kfad wrote:
Desdemona wrote:

Which I think can also apply to internet trolling in general: it often seems like people who feel the need to swoop in and pick others to pieces are probably pretty insecure and anxious, hence the need to put down, insult, one-up, or otherwise crepe on everything they see. It allows them to vent aggression and negative feelings, they're invisible and anonymous, and there are basically no consequences, since even negative attention is better than none at all.
I am currently dealing with a real life troll. Someone who is so mired in their own misery that the only happiness or pleasure they seem to get is through being a very typical internet troll, just in real life. And because everyone around him knows he is so miserable, they laugh it off and say "oh Haha, he is just trolling you." But no one will challenge that. Not even those closest to him. (I do and have been being avoided like the plague because of it)

Yes, he is, much like the monster under the bridge.
Yeah, I used to work with a man like this, and I still know him in a superficial social way; in his case, he does it in real life and online. It's like he brings his own permanent bad weather system with him, and people write it off as, "Oh, that's just his schtick," or whatever, but he really sucks the positive energy out of whatever environment he's in. Everything sucks, he's not responsible for any of the things he's unhappy, dissatisfied, or frustrated about, everyone is less intelligent, less educated, and less deserving of everything than he is, yet the injustice of the universe gives them all the breaks, blahblahblah. I hid him on FB ages ago, and whenever I run into him somewhere I'm at pains to be on the other side of the room after the briefest of greetings.


This is pretty much my dad. In real life and on FB. My mom will argue with him, and I will tell her "don't feed the trolls," but she doesn't really get it. If he doesn't get a reaction from the stupid shiitake he says, he stops. Granted, I live far away and don't deal with him on a daily basis so it's relatively easy for me to ignore it. She has to deal with his troll-ness every single day.

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 Post subject: Re: BREAKING NEWS: Internet trolls are also shitty people
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brian wrote:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2453609,00.asp

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"[T]rolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores," they wrote. Which is to say, the respondents who identified themselves as trolls also indicated that they enjoy making others suffer, lack remorse and empathy, and have no problem with manipulating and lying to people to achieve their ends.


The "good news" is that only 5% of people who comment in forums enjoy trolling.


Those are hardcore trolls. In my opinion there are many more unpleasant and disruptive people who do not see themselves as trolls.

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I think trolls are pretty much everywhere. There is no escape. We are living in the troll apocalypse.

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dropscone wrote:
bastah wrote:
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I knew a vegan who told me he'd write troll-y arguments on vegan-related subjects and then reply to them himself, tearing down the stupidity of what he'd just said, so that people following the argument would have their assumptions challenged. Every time I see a really stupid anti-vegan comment I wonder if it's actually a vegan "helping".

That wouldn't actually be trolling in the sense that the article is talking about, but that is annoying!

What I mean is he'd create two accounts, a "troll" one and a "rational vegan" to argue against the fictional other person.



This isn't far from what certain political or corporate entities do on the internet to shape the conversation about certain topics, so in a way, it's actually sort of professional.


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I remember that the CEO of Whole Foods got busted for trolling ( trash talking a competing chain )

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This isn't far from what certain political or corporate entities do on the internet to shape the conversation about certain topics, so in a way, it's actually sort of professional.

I don't think duplicity should be considered an acceptable professional trait.

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dropscone wrote:
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This isn't far from what certain political or corporate entities do on the internet to shape the conversation about certain topics, so in a way, it's actually sort of professional.

I don't think duplicity should be considered an acceptable professional trait.


Without duplicity, where would professions in law, business, or politics be?


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