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 Post subject: 1 in 3 S African men say they have committed rape
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:35 pm 
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beside the initial abhorrence about this article, I wonder how much of all this contributes to the general apathy most of the "modern" world has towards the plight of Africa and whats behind that...its all so forked up

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:48 pm 
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Good god. "Raping out of boredom" is possibly the most horrifying phrase I have ever read.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:27 am 
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amandabear wrote:
Good god. "Raping out of boredom" is possibly the most horrifying phrase I have ever read.


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Jesus forking christ. Such upsetting statistics

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so, so sad. and don't read the comments


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 Post subject: Re: 1 in 3 S African men say they have committed rape
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:09 pm 
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amandabear wrote:
Good god. "Raping out of boredom" is possibly the most horrifying phrase I have ever read.


Agreed.


Yeah. This.

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 Post subject: Re: 1 in 3 S African men say they have committed rape
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:40 pm 
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I don't even know where you would begin to change a culture where rape has become so widely socially acceptable. That's absolutely terrifying.


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 Post subject: Re: 1 in 3 S African men say they have committed rape
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Thessaly wrote:
I don't even know where you would begin to change a culture where rape has become so widely socially acceptable. That's absolutely terrifying.



I don't know either but I imagine it has to start with teaching awareness and responsibility at a very early age, people waking up and realizing that this is clearly becoming an epidemic, and instilling in young men that they can stop this because I do strongly feel that since it started with the men, it should end with the men. By that I mean, we can't keep telling women to not walk alone in the dark. We need to change the way people are thinking on this before anyone can make any real changes. It's a horrible situation, regardless and I hope that South Africa can really turn this around for everyone's sake...


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Fourteen Soybeans wrote:
Thessaly wrote:
I don't even know where you would begin to change a culture where rape has become so widely socially acceptable. That's absolutely terrifying.



I don't know either but I imagine it has to start with teaching awareness and responsibility at a very early age, people waking up and realizing that this is clearly becoming an epidemic, and instilling in young men that they can stop this because I do strongly feel that since it started with the men, it should end with the men. By that I mean, we can't keep telling women to not walk alone in the dark. We need to change the way people are thinking on this before anyone can make any real changes. It's a horrible situation, regardless and I hope that South Africa can really turn this around for everyone's sake...


They have some ideas about how to start:
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"We need to start interventions in childhood, focusing on building a more empowering childhood environment in South Africa, especially for boys," she said, "and we need to make it worth their while for women to report sexual violence."


But that doesn't make life better for women and girls in South Africa right now, and that's scary and sad.

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 Post subject: Re: 1 in 3 S African men say they have committed rape
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abbierae wrote:
Fourteen Soybeans wrote:
Thessaly wrote:
I don't even know where you would begin to change a culture where rape has become so widely socially acceptable. That's absolutely terrifying.



I don't know either but I imagine it has to start with teaching awareness and responsibility at a very early age, people waking up and realizing that this is clearly becoming an epidemic, and instilling in young men that they can stop this because I do strongly feel that since it started with the men, it should end with the men. By that I mean, we can't keep telling women to not walk alone in the dark. We need to change the way people are thinking on this before anyone can make any real changes. It's a horrible situation, regardless and I hope that South Africa can really turn this around for everyone's sake...


They have some ideas about how to start:
article wrote:
"We need to start interventions in childhood, focusing on building a more empowering childhood environment in South Africa, especially for boys," she said, "and we need to make it worth their while for women to report sexual violence."


But that doesn't make life better for women and girls in South Africa right now, and that's scary and sad.

I read Half the Sky by Nicky Kristof this summer, I'd really suggest it. Talks about women standing up and trying to change things.


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 Post subject: Re: 1 in 3 S African men say they have committed rape
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It peas me off when they talk about doing childhood interventions as the way to change the culture. You know what would change the culture real fast? Prosecuting rape like its a serious crime.

South Africa has one of the lowest rates of prosecution for rape and gang rape, its not even treated like a big deal. The police often don't follow up with eye witnesses, evidence isn't properly preserved etc. It was only due to local outrage that the "corrective rape"/murder of Eudy Simelane was prosecuted.

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 Post subject: Re: 1 in 3 S African men say they have committed rape
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Tofulish wrote:
It peas me off when they talk about doing childhood interventions as the way to change the culture. You know what would change the culture real fast? Prosecuting rape like its a serious crime.

thats the point. the police clearly dont view it as a crime, let a lone a serious crime. change the culture and the police will hopefully become people that realize rape is bad.


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