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 Post subject: Re: How to address this argument? Manure...
PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:11 am 
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Everyone has it pretty much covered but I just wanted to add that my little wee garden uses no animal products either, you can do it! I spent ages reading everything in the garden shop to know what was in what product.

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 Post subject: Re: How to address this argument? Manure...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:36 pm 
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Does anyone know what large commercial farms use? Is it mostly manure or chemical fertilizers? I got this whole "we need animal manure to grow plants" lecture at lunch today and I said it's possible to use compost and chemical fertilizers. My coworkers said there isn't enough compost available and that chemical fertilizers are bad for the environment. I thought fertilizers were bad for the environment because of run-off. Isn't run-off possible with manure, too?

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 Post subject: Re: How to address this argument? Manure...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:47 pm 
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Most use manure and chemical fertilizers. It's probably true that there's not enough compost available to use it exclusively to feed our population if we insist on continuing monocrop agriculture. But the point is there are working farms that don't rely on outside fertilizer at all and that should be the future. Check this out - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/01 ... garden.php

The most direct counter to the argument for the necessity of animal fertilizer is that animals don't produce the nitrogen, phosphorous and other necessary minerals in their waste. They just extract it and concentrate it from plants. Instead, you can just use plants directly as mulch and save water and energy by doing so. You can also encourage beneficial visits from native animals by including some crops that draw birds and other small animals which produce waste.

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 Post subject: Re: How to address this argument? Manure...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:20 pm 
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couroupita wrote:
Does anyone know what large commercial farms use?


As far as I know, the most widely used fertilizers within "Conventional" (non-Organic) Agriculture are chemical fertilizers derived from petroleum.
Within certified "Organic" Agriculture, the most widely used fertilizers are slaughterhouse byproducts such as blood, bone, and feather meal.
I really grimaced when I found this out.

Also I don't see any financial advantage in having animals on your farm unless you kill them and/or sell them because it's more efficient and effective to just grow a cover crop and till it back into the soil as a green manure..

So I haven't read that book but I'm pretty sure I disagree with the Nieman Ranch guy.


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 Post subject: Re: How to address this argument? Manure...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:14 am 
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Also: nearly 60 tons of manure shat every single second in the US.

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