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 Post subject: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:28 am 
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Teach me. I know basics but I want to go deeper. My 'friend' (read: crasshole on facebook) is basically comparing climate change to Y2K. Help me debate.

But seriously, I've actually wanted to research it as an interest for a while. I don't have a hugely scientific background but throw whatever you have at me.

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:35 am 
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
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Yes I've read that but it doesn't seem to have sources?

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:10 am 
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The responses all link to full explanations with sources.

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:37 am 
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I'd also like to know more. Have you read The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery?


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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
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The Guardian just started doing a Climate Change FAQ, they've only got a few questions up so far, but they're planning to make it pretty comprehensive. I'm not sure if it'll be much deeper than what you already know, but it could be a good place to start.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/s ... change-faq


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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
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I was going to recommend The Weather Makers, too.


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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
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there was an interesting podcast about climate change here
http://castroller.com/podcasts/PriToThe ... e%20Change
the freakonomics blog always has interesting stuff about recent climate change science as well (some on podcast, some written)

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:52 am 
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Thanks guys! I got out the weather makers but never got a chance to read through it!

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
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One thing I've been learning in geography is that our sun goes through an 11 year cycle of sunspots, where there become more and more, and the sun gets hotter, until reaching an apex, and then there are less and the sun cools (relatively). http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml

But the affect is felt on earth. The Maunder Minimum occurred between 1645 and 1715 where very very few sunspots occurred, this is extremely rare, but the effect was visible one earth, Europe had the coldest winters on record and there were some really cool effects (like famine for one, <,< and people have theorised that the wood used in Stradivarius violins came from trees that grew slowly during this time!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Mi ... le_Ice_Age

But, I've got a point with this. We've been coming to the low point in our sunspot cycle. But we've been making and breaking record heat highs every year almost.

That's not evidence really unless you take in everything else about climate change, but it is interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
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http://climate.nasa.gov/


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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:10 am 
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Conveniently, I just got home from a climate change workshop!

Some of the internet resources I learned about; note, I was trained by US Natl Park Rangers so obviously some of this is USA-centric.
You HAVE to watch the NPR carbon cycle videos linked below. Entertaining and informational. Also intriguing (but again American-centric) is the Yale study of people's ideas on climate change- like the demographics of who believes about climate change and who doesn't.

Useful Websites on Climate Change

Government
Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center http://cdiac.ornl.gov
NASA Earth to Sky http://www.earthtosky.org
NASA Eyes on the Earth http://climate.nasa.gov
US Global Change Research Program http://www.globalchange.gov
NOAA Climate Program Office http://climate.noaa.gov
EPA Climate Change Site http://www.epa.gov/climatechange
NPS Climate Change Site http://www.nps.gov/climatechange
USGS Climate Change site http://www.usgs.gov/science/science.php?term=168
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change http://www.ipcc.ch

Videos
NASA Scientific Visualization Studio http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov
NASA videos aimed at the public http://climate.nasa.gov/ClimateReel/
NPR Climate Connections – Carbon http://www.npr.org/news/specials/climate/video/
YouTube video from HS teacher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqEYLvPt0lA



Carbon Cycle
GLOBE carbon cycle http://globecarboncycle.unh.edu/

Public Attitude Research
Yale F&ES Project (6 Americas) http://environment.yale.edu/climate
Yale Forum on CC and the Media http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org

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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:24 pm 
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You can't really argue that climate change doesn't exist any more.
You can still try argue that the climate change isn't anthropogenic (human caused), but that side is low on serious, peer controlled, unbiased (etc) research.
I suspect your facebook crasshole means that. As mentioned earlier there's plenty of evidence that climates cycle without our industry. Solar activity, CO_2 levels and a whole bunch of other things have changed a lot over Earth's history. Most researchers concur though that all of that combined does not account for what we see now.

And I think you have enough links to click for now.


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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
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I am so impressed with all the interesting and useful links in this thread. I'm going to work on improving my knowledge of these things.

Veglicious — did you end up seeing Q and A last night? Tim Flannery was on, and Barnaby Joyce basically insulted him to his face by suggesting his expertise didn't count because his PhD is in paleontology; then the One Nation* rep sounded really out of his depth, and Flannery sort of blinked at him and responded like he was educating a five-year-old. Transcript will be available here: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3138582.htm

*For non-Australians: a minor right-wing party that barely registers a blip on the political radar these days


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 Post subject: Re: I want to learn more about climate change
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:36 pm 
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All of the above, especially what lycophyte said for the heavy science.

Whenever you see a new "controversy" in the news, it is likely to be explained in better detail at http://www.realclimate.org with links or sources for the actual science.

It isn't a comprehensive crash course in climate science, which is a big interdisciplinary topic, but it will cover where the data has been misinterpreted and misunderstood to create the latest "controversy" about climate change being "fake".

See also How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic:
http://www.grist.org/article/series/skeptics/
It covers the most common arguments and the truth of the science that refutes them.

The 6 Americas depresses the hell out of me, especially since the most recent data I've seen shows the percentage of people in the "Dismissive" category has risen since 2006.

We're living in the information age, yet most people having zero training or understanding of information literacy. i.e., you can find lots information supporting whatever you would LIKE to believe all over the internet, and most people have never learned to research. So as far as they are concerned, all sources of information are equally valid.

There's also this weird backlash against science that is happening for some reason. Look up the BBC documentary "Science Under Attack", there are some clips on YouTube I believe. We're living in a time where amazing wonders, comforts, security, and conveniences are available in our lives BECAUSE of science, yet more people than ever are skeptical and suspicious of science and scientists. DE. PRESSING.

I applaud you for wanting to learn more. I hope your friend learns something too, but I rarely have high hopes anymore. Good luck.

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