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 Post subject: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventional
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:09 pm 
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*Corn yields over 27 years of the trial were equivalent between the organic and conventional systems.
*Soybean yields were the same for the manure and conventional system and only slightly lower for the legume system.


http://rodaleinstitute.org/fst

Legume organic = veganic

And both organic systems improved the soil, produced more resilient crops, and were about the same economically as the conventional.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:17 pm 
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Wow, awesome!

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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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That's really great!

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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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I'm going to revive this old thread to share that my co-op started carrying a veganic bread - it's from One Degree Organic Foods and it's made of a lentil-grain combo. The lentils and grains are grown using green manure (cover crops planted and tilled back into the ground) and no animal products or by-products are used to amend the soil and of course no animal products are in the final product. A 21-oz loaf is $4.69. The product is imported from Canada.

Does anyone know about this company? I like the bread itself a lot and I hope the veganic products from this company are wildly successful.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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I've bought their flour and cereal. I haven't bought their bread because I think they put raisins in it? Unless it is a different bread but it was something that made the bread sound like it would be sweet.

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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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Yep, there are raisins in it.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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quagga wrote:
I'm going to revive this old thread to share that my co-op started carrying a veganic bread - it's from One Degree Organic Foods and it's made of a lentil-grain combo. The lentils and grains are grown using green manure (cover crops planted and tilled back into the ground) and no animal products or by-products are used to amend the soil and of course no animal products are in the final product. A 21-oz loaf is $4.69. The product is imported from Canada.

Does anyone know about this company? I like the bread itself a lot and I hope the veganic products from this company are wildly successful.

they struck me as a pretty good company. the bread always seemed kinda gritty (?!) though so I didn't grab it too often :[

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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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Interesting, and Canadian. I have been buying Silver Hills bread but I see that this one is carried by a local market.

I studied agriculture 25 years ago (majored in soils) and I don't think there was any question that using green manure etc. couldn't be as productive if not more than what has become conventional agriculture practices. We soils people are a little biased there too, as we look at the long term and the health of the soil is much better with less intensive farming.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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If that is true why do organic farmers use so much (non-green) manure.


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Because its cheap and available?

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Usually when commercial farms are relying on green manures, they have a rotation that takes a field out of production and harvest for a year or two after every 4-5 years to replenish fertility with legumes or other green manure plants. These are turned under or mown down. (I couldn't access the Rodale page, so don't know what it said.) But if anyone is interested in veganic growing, here's a link to my organization that has a veganic gardening page with info and more links: http://nwveg.org/vgardening

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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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Dylan wrote:
If that is true why do organic farmers use so much (non-green) manure.


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Because its cheap and available?


Yup, the same reason that food processors use so much dairy derived products in their food. It's a byproduct/cheap and easy ingredient from our food production system that can be used for more cheap food. Yum.


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 Post subject: Re: Organic & veganic agriculture as productive as conventio
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Arisaig wrote:
lycophyte wrote:
Because its cheap and available?


Yup, the same reason that food processors use so much dairy derived products in their food. It's a byproduct/cheap and easy ingredient from our food production system that can be used for more cheap food. Yum.

Also probably because it's what everyone else is using. Like eggs in banana bread. Unnecessary, but pretty much every recipe has them.


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