Post Punk Kitchen Forum

I told you it was the wave of the future. Also, no one cares about this except vegans on the internet. I just wish that people didn't think vegan meant gluten free. How the hell did that one start?

Word. Panda and I demand gluten with a side of gluten.

Screw the animals, my health, and the planet. I'm here for the cookies and the ladies!

Thank goodness I'm not the only one!

Moreover, when he smiles I make an 'ick' face. There's just something about it that's so...so? Fake? Sinister? Deceitful? "American Psycho" sociopathic?

try telling that to the vegan Livejournal communities.

Vegans are snobs.

But snobs with sassy style.

And usually baking skills.

I'm convinced everything about him is fake. I've met the dude (he came into a restaurant I worked at last year), and he just seemed like a normal guy. Very calm. Nice, even! No way is he as manic and crazy in real life as he appears on TV, which makes his TV persona even more obnoxious because it's obviously so calculated. Then again, I didn't really get to talk to him, so who knows how accurate my impression of him was.

I can't bake, I'm getting less vegan by the moment!

I am also here for the ladies and the cookies.

Yes you are. Soon you'll be disappearing from any photos you had with animals, you'll no longer have the desire to buy in bulk, and garlic will just be garlic.

Purposeful alienation was my sassy snobby vegan plan.

You got me. I really am Glenn Beck.

I totally agree with this, and I hate the elitism that is such a part of veganism. "Remember, because we do it for ethical reasons we are SOooooo superior." is how those msgs that say "It's different when it's for ethical reasons really sounds.

I went vegetarian for health reasons, vegan for animals and also because cheese is the devil and my cholesterol was still a bit high and I thought that cutting it wouldn't hurt and might have helped in other areas, but honestly I don't think it's any different...mainly because the end result is the same, the only difference is your opinion/reason...no animal is going to scoff at someone who does'nt eat them, regardless of the reason.

comments like that, and like "I'm quitting veganism" (however sarcastic it may be) is why people think that it's a crazy elitist fringe group. I remember wanting to be veg*n a long time ago but was SO turned off by that attitude and didn't want to be lumped in with those people, it almost felt like a requirement. I think it hurts us more than helps. I can't help but wonder the impact of people coming to it at all, or coming to it earlier, would have if it didn't have that kind of stigma attached to it.

I feel this is going to be an unpopular comment, but whatever.

If Glenn Beck said he was starting a blog, I would made the hilarious comment, "I'm quitting blogging." It's not about the elitism of veganism—it's about hating Glenn Beck and feeling weird about having anything in common with him.

I"m saying how it would look to someoen on the outside looking in.

Glenn Beck is a crasshole whether he eats tofu or dog shiitake. No one who agrees with Beck is trolling these forums in search of advice on becoming vegan. I am hardly going to censor my opinion about people like him simply because they are vegan.
But I'm fair! I have nothing nice to say about Gary Francione and he's vegan as well!

yeah, I think it's pretty apparent that footface's joke is about hating glenn beck and not about hating people who are vegan for health reasons. it's GLENN BECK!!! Everything he does is despicable! if he saved a baby from a well I'd still hate him.

But I love IDJI and Esme because I get to tell people I made Esme's special sauce and then wink.

I was one of the last in my small group of vegetarian friends to transition to being vegan in high school for this exact reason. In the early to mid 90's hardcore scene veganism was also wrapped up with the sXe movement which lead to all kinds of extreme elitism and snobbery. My hippy self didn't want anything to do with the hardliners at the time. I stayed vegetarian and resisted becoming vegan for probably 3 years because of the attitude.

I understand what you are saying and agree.

What is he saved a vegan baby from a well?

hmm..tough call.


no, not really, I'd still hate him!

I hate how watered down veganism has become. I stick to the original definition, I am not elitist I am just old school and don't feel like changing. Though when I talk to people who are new to veganism, I am always encouraging and hope that they embrace the whole lifestyle.
And I am shocked that no one person mentioned that the German dude who was really Austrian wasn't a vegetarian, that it was all part of his governments propaganda to make him look moral and pure.
As far as the person who this whole thread is about, do I really want to encourage him to live longer, does that makes me not vegan that I don't care about his living longer? What would Gary think??

What if he saved a vegan baby from a vegan well and then drew a big diagram on his chalkboard with circles connecting vegan babies and america and your tax dollars?

Voldemort?

*needs to go mediate on this while doing yoga and drinking a wheat grass enfused smoothie*

Not Gary "pedophile" Glitter, Gary "fonzi" Francione