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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:19 am 
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Anti-rape underwear just keeps making me think that it's out of some weird dystopian futuristic novel. Except not dystopian or futuristic because it's here and now. And that's sad.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:31 am 
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Anti-rape underwear just keeps making me think that it's out of some weird dystopian futuristic novel. Except not dystopian or futuristic because it's here and now. And that's sad.

Well, Snow Crash has the dentata, which injects rapists with sedatives (upon p in v penetration), so the person they're attacking can get away. And those google glassed are coming out. And the US is becoming increasingly stratified by class, etc... So I guess we are living in an unpleasant cyberpunk futuretime. Yay?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:51 am 
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I am intrigued by what sort of material that undergarment is made of if it can't be moved or cut with scissors. The video shows very thin women wearing it but I don't own any clothing that looks like that on me. How comfortable is it? How likely is it to work when you don't have a guy with dull scissors hacking at it for 10 seconds? How difficult are they to put on and take off? You have to remember a special combination to get the button configured right to take them off? Why not make a version for men so that they have to walk around in uncomfortable tight pants that they can't take off until they can correctly sing the lyrics to Girls Just Want to Have Fun?

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I could imagine me (and others with tiny bladders, i'm sure) getting drunk and frustrated as i try remove these anti-rape underoos so i can pee every thirty minutes.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:33 pm 
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Sorry, I can't be bothered to wear comfortable pantaloons when I run let alone some scissor-resistant contraption. At least carrying pepper spray doesn't chafe.

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Why not make a version for men so that they have to walk around in uncomfortable tight pants that they can't take off until they can correctly sing the lyrics to Girls Just Want to Have Fun?


Now here's an idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Teehee, that reminds me the episode of IT Crowd in which Reynholm has to wear sex pants.

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Erika Soyf*cker wrote:
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Why not make a version for men so that they have to walk around in uncomfortable tight pants that they can't take off until they can correctly sing the lyrics to Girls Just Want to Have Fun?


Now here's an idea.
Kickstarter time!

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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I am intrigued by what sort of material that undergarment is made of if it can't be moved or cut with scissors. The video shows very thin women wearing it but I don't own any clothing that looks like that on me. How comfortable is it? How likely is it to work when you don't have a guy with dull scissors hacking at it for 10 seconds? How difficult are they to put on and take off? You have to remember a special combination to get the button configured right to take them off? Why not make a version for men so that they have to walk around in uncomfortable tight pants that they can't take off until they can correctly sing the lyrics to Girls Just Want to Have Fun?

When I watched the video I kept thinking "muffin top! muffin top! muffin top!" My body does not deal well with rigid fabrics.

And needing a combination to sex it up reminds me a little too much of chastity belts.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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the awful stuff being said on the internet about this:
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http://putyourdamnpantson.com/2013/11/05/guest-post-i-wont-apologize-for-being-assaulted/
I mean, obviously I shouldn't be surprised by all the rape apologists out there and all the people saying "we want proof!" and "why didn't she come forward sooner", but I always feel like the punk community ought to hold itself to higher standards. (Granted, that band is, and has always been, forking garbage.) But my partner and I were just discussing how worried we'll be when our own daughters start going to shows and I just don't want to feel any of this.
Edited AGAIN to add that my own personal distaste for that band's music has nothing to do with any of this!


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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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I don't venture into The Parlor often pretty much because I don't want to get pissed off by what I don't know (umm, anti-rape underwear, what the fizzle?). However, I turned on the radio the other day (a rarity, I'm a CD-in-the-car person) and turned it on just in time to catch this gem of a lyric: if it weren't for date rape I wouldn't get laid.

I cannot even express how this incensed me and how its just ok that this is on the radio. I'm not advocating censorship, but why is this ok?

I don't know, for some reason I seem to be more hyper-aware of the fundamental fuckedupness we have in our culture regarding rape permissiveness and victim shaming, and it makes me want to scream.


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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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It's a Sublime song called Date Rape. It's not the best for a few reasons but it is pretty much an anti-date rape song.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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I guess that makes me feel better? Hard to shake when I had no context, just that last line. Anyway, thanks for letting me know!


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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Note for any future New England meetups - ask NDP if she's wearing pantaloons. Then have everyone...stare!

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Haha! Now I can't stop giggling. I'm getting industrial strength pantaloons for the next meetup.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Yesterday on the train a complete stranger put his hand on my thigh and said I was wearing shagging boots. I slapped his hand away so hard and fast he was actually shocked. But then when I got off some people were asking me if I knew him, and seeming sympathetic, but then one of them said that perhaps I shouldnt wear the boots again. When I said that the boots were nothing to do with it he actually said 'Don't go getting all Germaine Greer on me' and laughed. I couldn't believe it! I was absolutely fine, I was well able to stick up for myself in both situations, but WHO does that?

Ps Not that it matters a jot but they were flat brown almost knee length pleather boots that I bought in Next.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Yesterday on the train a complete stranger put his hand on my thigh and said I was wearing shagging boots. I slapped his hand away so hard and fast he was actually shocked. But then when I got off some people were asking me if I knew him, and seeming sympathetic, but then one of them said that perhaps I shouldnt wear the boots again. When I said that the boots were nothing to do with it he actually said 'Don't go getting all Germaine Greer on me' and laughed. I couldn't believe it! I was absolutely fine, I was well able to stick up for myself in both situations, but WHO does that?

Ps Not that it matters a jot but they were flat brown almost knee length pleather boots that I bought in Next.


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Wow, that's awful. It sounds like you reacted in exactly the right way though, good for you. I think I would have been too angry and not been able to come up with the right words...


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Ha! I didn't know Germaine Greer was still relevant in the UK. Maybe the train time traveled back to the 70s.

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Ha! I didn't know Germaine Greer was still relevant in the UK. Maybe the train time traveled back to the 70s.


Ha. Maybe this should have been in the 'best things' thread. He was from Carlisle aged about 35. I should be all Pollyanna that he'd heard of Germaine Greer.

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About an hour ago, Roman Polanski was interviewed on French TV. And the journalist asked him if he had forgiven Samantha Geimer, the teenager he raped. Sick.


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About an hour ago, Roman Polanski was interviewed on French TV. And the journalist asked him if he had forgiven Samantha Geimer, the teenager he raped. Sick.

WHAT?! What the fork is wrong with people?! "So pedophile, rapist, did you forgive your victim yet?"
This is the most infuriating thing I've heard for weeks.

Also sorry that happened to you, Efcliz. I am glad you were able to stick up for yourself against both of them, though.


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What did he say in response?

I wonder how he would feel if someone asked Charles Manson if he had forgiven Sharon Tate as yet.

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Shamini wrote:
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About an hour ago, Roman Polanski was interviewed on French TV. And the journalist asked him if he had forgiven Samantha Geimer, the teenager he raped. Sick.

WHAT?! What the fork is wrong with people?! "So pedophile, rapist, did you forgive your victim yet?"
This is the most infuriating thing I've heard for weeks.
I feel so sorry for that woman. It's horrendous enough that she was drugged and assaulted when she was barely an adolescent, but despite her repeated pleas to speak and hear no more about it and move along with her life, no one will leave it alone, which means she has that dirtbag stuck to her heels like a piece of toilet paper in the eyes of the world, on top of what she's had to work through as a private person. UGH.

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What did he say in response?


I didn't watch that far. I wanted to hurl things at my screen, so I turned it off instead. But feel free to see by yourself: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=642268615796714

It makes me sick that the media is even giving screen time to this guy at all. And of course the journalists that do it are the ones who swim in their own completely unexamined rape culture.


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