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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:31 am 
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This BBC special: "Does being a woman restrict your freedom?" with answers to specific questions from 4 teens in 4 countries.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26664736

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Also, this piece about "weighty" issues: http://fozmeadows.tumblr.com/post/80930 ... ghty-issue

Point 3 about the BMI is awesome (by which I mean: terrible, for its cross-sectionality with the privilege thread).
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Although women are both shorter on average than men while naturally carrying more fat, the BMI calculation doesn’t take this into account, but uses the same measurement for both men and women. In fact, it was originally formulated based on studies of white male populations only - which means that BMI is fundamentally predicated on judging female bodies against male norms. As such, and as useless as the BMI is anyway in terms of individual diagnosis, it’s especially harmful to women and POC, whose morphology and metabolisms it was never meant to accommodate.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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ugh, this article about sterilization abuse against female prisoners in California, which is upsetting enough, but the first paragraph is terrible.

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A bill was presented to the California Senate Health Committee on Wednesday that aims to close loopholes that allowed doctors under contract with the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to sterilize hundreds of female inmates without state approval.


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Granted, I understand that in order for this to be heard in court, it likely had to challenge the legality of something rather than the ethical grounds. In this case, it was probably necessary to present it as a 'state approval' issue in order to get it heard it all. BUT SERIOUSLY. Shouldn't the primary only approval being sought in these cases be the women themselves, rather than the state which has incarcerated them?!

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I saw an ad an the subway train that said "Berlin says no, thank you to date rape drugs". um, what. I doubt anyone said Yes, thank you to them before! That's a whole campaign and it's aimed at the victims!

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I saw an ad an the subway train that said "Berlin says no, thank you to date rape drugs". um, what. I doubt anyone said Yes, thank you to them before! That's a whole campaign and it's aimed at the victims!
What the hell? "Gee, it's sweet of you to offer, but I think we'll pass on the whole 'incapacitated and unable to protest or resist nonconsensual sex' thing, at least for now. But thanks so much for asking!"

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That is so upsetting. I can't imagine being a victim of a date rape drug and seeing this, which not so subtly blames the victim for "not saying no." Horrible.

My ex was roofied in Italy - they put knock-out drops in his coffee at a cafe and he passed out for 2 days, and was left lying in a garden after the thieves robbed everything he had with him. And that happened at 10 am in Rome. He said it was one of the most frightening things that ever happened to him. And no one thought to call the police or an ambulance, they just left him there, unconscious in a garden.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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"for a safe night life, so there won't be a bad awakening" I was so upset once I realized what the ad was saying.

"If you take some precautions, you can stay safe"

What, how could I take precautions against this besides becoming paranoid?

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Ugh, what? How about teaching people not to rape other people. Na, that would be too complicated.


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I saw a shirt at a store that said: A penny for your thoughts. A dollar for your pantaloons."

Um, how about a punch in your face? It's completely free!


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I saw a shirt at a store that said: A penny for your thoughts. A dollar for your pantaloons."

Um, how about a punch in your face? It's completely free!


"A $30 filing fee for a Restraining Order"

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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My boyfriend just really challenged my feminism in saying this ad wasn't victim-blaming at all, just stupid. "It's not saying it's the victims fault at all."
I had to say we had to stop this conversation. For him this just proves I'm reading too much into stuff, am overly sensitive, all this crepe.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Ugh, I can't believe I'm having this debate AGAIN on a forum for so-called socialists. Apparently some dudes can't differentiate between okay flirting and sexual harassment.


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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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When I called 911 for my husband today, everyone was really nice and supportive and kind and reassured me that I should have called and he really was in bad shape. When I called 911 for myself a few weeks ago, in the middle of an anxiety attack, the responders made me feel like I was wasting their time.

I have to wonder if our genders played a difference, if a man's pain is take seriously and a woman's is not. Its too small a sample size to tell of course, but its a lack of privilege that you have to wonder if it made a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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This anonymous piece published in Harvard's student newspaper about an atrocious lack of response to sexual assault:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/ ... lt/?page=2


Tofulish: I've wondered about gender differences in those kind of contexts so many times. Ugh. Sorry you're having to second guess yourself like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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We have talked here and elsewhere about how differently women's medical issues are handled than men's, notably Quarantined's posts in the IUD thread recently and with joyfulgirl's posts. This article about how endometriosis sufferers are left completely unsupported dealt with the issues so well. http://www.xojane.com/healthy/endometri ... an-disease

I especially liked the point that endometriosis and PCOS and other uterine things are only really taken seriously if the woman wants to conceive. Because God forbid she should just want to live pain-free or without all the other symptoms of the disease. Especially if you think that 1 in 10 women have endometriosis and 1 in 4 have PCOS. Why are we not treating these issues like serious problems, you know, like erectile dysfunction?

And I really thought Ariann's posts about how little support the medical community gives women who can't breast feed was interesting. Basically if you can't BF, then you're told to try a few drugs and shuttled off to an LC, who may or may not have any medical training, and then you begin all the old wives tales remedies: goat's rue, fennel, fenugreek, beer, and you just try all of them until one works or you give up. No one offers you a trial or study to participate in, no one treats you as though you have a real medical issue that deserves understanding.

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 Post subject: Re: Who challenges your feminism in your life?
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Exactly, it makes no sense! Even from a for-profit perspective, it makes no sense! That is 25% of women you could be making money off of if your company offered a reasonable treatment for PCOS, or 10% if you treated endometriosis! From a business perspective, it makes no sense. From a science perspective, it also makes no sense (look at all this terrible stuff we still know nothing about!)(or even: see how fast women would volunteer for clinical trials to make this easier!). When I was thinking about this last night, it seemed like part of the problem is not having enough women in STEM or pharmaceutical research, but see upthread for couroupita's experience in organic chemistry (old boys club of dooooom). Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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There seems to be a systemic problem with colleges and rape. Even when victims go to their local police, the crimes are not investigated properly,and more often, victims are encouraged to resolve the issue before a disciplinary panel at the college, whose only sanction is expulsion.

Part of the problem is that the colleges have an interest in showing their campus as safe to prospective students and donors, so they have a vested interest in sweeping rapes and sexual assaults under the rug. And the local police are often close to the college, so they defer to campus police and the college on what to do.

The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights is investigating several universities to see if their handling of rape cases violates Title IX laws. Reading the way these investigations are often mismanaged is pretty depressing. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... s/7262359/

A friend of mine who teaches at a local college mentioned that many campuses are getting rid of their women's centers, so female students have even less support.

Its interesting that as colleges are moving away from being responsible for creating a safe space for their students (as the in loco parentis model gives way to treating students like adults http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/philip ... ol8lee.pdf), they still retain so much control over how sex crimes on campus are treated.

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back in university, i remember reading a study that basically concluded that women were bad candidates to study because there are small changes that happen to certain parts of the brain over the menstrual cycle that men don't experience. so men are better subjects because they don't have cycles that can mess with the effects of whatever the experiment concerns. well, here's a grand idea! what about learning more about women so it's not a big mystery? how about that?


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There seems to be a systemic problem with colleges and rape. Even when victims go to their local police, the crimes are not investigated properly,and more often, victims are encouraged to resolve the issue before a disciplinary panel at the college, whose only sanction is expulsion.

YUP. I know of a rapist who currently attends my college after being suspended for one semester for "misconduct." And of course he is back in the same leadership position where he began grooming his victim for assault in the first place.

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At work today I called someone out on referring to women as "girls." He's a lab manager; several analysts/technicians report to him.
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My cousin addressing an invitation to me as "Mrs." when a) it would be Ms., but b) no, actually, I have a forking professional degree and title, so if you're going to use titles, use my correct title.


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I was on youtube earlier looking up a video of the Borg from Star Trek The Next Generation. I figured that the comments would be relatively harmless. God was I wrong. One at the top read

"The Borg are like feminists! Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!" And it had a few likes.

Um... just... wow.

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I'm so angry about work right now. We're hiring a new person and still in the interview process (everyone gets to interview the applicants at my place of work, so we all decide who is hired), and we've had group interviews for three candidates.

All men. One of color, which is actually really a significant change, but I don't think we're hiring him. No, we're going to hire a white twenty/thirtysomething bearded dude. SURPRISE.
At least a third of our applicants were women, and most of them perfectly qualified. The problem? They don't have experience in the instrument industry.
This makes me LIVID. You know why they don't? Nobody will hire them because they're women! Never mind the fact they have retail and customer service experience, play instruments, and are friendly, competent people who would learn the products quickly!

The ONLY reason I have the training and background is it is because someone gave me a chance (a huge chance, since I got my first job with no real job experience) and I flourished. I kick asparagus at my job. But, guess what? Somebody had to say, "Okay, she may not have the the product knowledge needed, but we can teach her that." You CAN teach people that, after all! MOST people need product training!
Eventually, someone needs to give women (and people of color) an invitation into music instrument shops and goddamnit, can we just get with the forking program? It's a stupidly vicious circle. "Hiring women is risky for guitar shops because so many of our customers don't respect women. Just ask missdelaney!" Well, nobody is going to respect women in instrument shops until the shops change their hiring practices. And sure, respect the recommendations of my male coworkers over me, no problem! Fine! Oh, no, missdelaney doesn't want to design a custom guitar for the order we're putting in! I have a forking guitar tattooed on my forearm and work in a guitar store and I still get asked every damned day if I play the guitar. When I say yes, they seem surprised.

I am so over being patient with people about this. I'm sick of men asking for the 'expert' or the 'guitar guy' or the 'guy who knows about guitars/banjos/etc.' I respond with condescension and impatience and tell them they can talk to me. When they insist on someone else, I say, "I'm not incompetent. I wouldn't be here if I was. Now what's your question?"

I love a bearded twentysomething dude in flannel as much as the next lady in the PNW, but Jesus forking Christ, can we get some diveristy up in here? I haven't even touched on the fact I only work with white people.

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missdelaney wrote:
I respond with condescension and impatience and tell them they can talk to me. When they insist on someone else, I say, "I'm not incompetent. I wouldn't be here if I was. Now what's your question?"

That is totally boss. Do these people usually treat you with the appropriate amount of respect after that? I'd guess that it would be hard not to, though if they needed that prompting in the first place, my expectations of them would be pretty low.


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